1 00:00:04,309 --> 00:00:02,540 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:05,510 --> 00:00:04,319 triangle you know there's explanation 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:05,520 for everything that occurred in the 4 00:00:11,660 --> 00:00:08,730 Rendlesham forest incident aliens at all 5 00:00:16,849 --> 00:00:11,670 it was completely silent it comes right 6 00:00:18,710 --> 00:00:16,859 over our heads really standing in the 7 00:00:20,150 --> 00:00:18,720 clearing he turned over to my father and 8 00:00:25,970 --> 00:00:20,160 held his hand and he looked in his eyes 9 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:25,980 and said we're not alone welcome to 10 00:00:31,550 --> 00:00:29,310 podcast UFO for our live show we're live 11 00:00:33,740 --> 00:00:31,560 every Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern 12 00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:33,750 Standard Time on the dark matter radio 13 00:00:39,380 --> 00:00:35,910 network please remember to visit the 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:39,390 website podcast UFO comm for past 15 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have Alejandro Rojas coming 43 00:01:58,700 --> 00:01:56,399 right up with the news in just a minute 44 00:02:00,649 --> 00:01:58,710 but tonight's guest is Nick Redfern 45 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:00,659 we're going to talk about all different 46 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:02,729 types of subjects first of all he's got 47 00:02:09,619 --> 00:02:06,180 a book they are h- factor in blood that 48 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:09,629 is talked about in so many experiencers 49 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:12,060 cases and is very interesting there's 50 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:13,050 really a connection 51 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:14,910 so this new book is called bloodline of 52 00:02:19,910 --> 00:02:17,130 the gods unravel the mystery and the 53 00:02:22,610 --> 00:02:19,920 human blood type to reveal the aliens 54 00:02:24,230 --> 00:02:22,620 among us now Nick as you know most 55 00:02:26,990 --> 00:02:24,240 people out there know is a very prolific 56 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:27,000 writer he has three books out now we're 57 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:28,110 going to be talking we're going to touch 58 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:29,970 on a couple of them in the second hour 59 00:02:33,980 --> 00:02:32,580 we're going to be talking about his book 60 00:02:36,350 --> 00:02:33,990 men in black I think that's interesting 61 00:02:38,270 --> 00:02:36,360 in a couple of other books he's done and 62 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:38,280 so that'll be coming up in a little bit 63 00:02:43,850 --> 00:02:41,310 and now we have although Honduras Rojas 64 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:43,860 with the news how are you alejandro you 65 00:02:47,510 --> 00:02:46,170 I'm doing good how are you doing good 66 00:02:50,690 --> 00:02:47,520 you were under the weather you're doing 67 00:02:54,380 --> 00:02:50,700 better so yeah and I had bad tummy but I 68 00:02:57,770 --> 00:02:54,390 have better tummy completely healed 69 00:03:01,820 --> 00:02:57,780 tummy but better good he reminded me of 70 00:03:04,010 --> 00:03:01,830 some exciting news that is that Nick 71 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:04,020 Redfern is gonna be speaking at the next 72 00:03:09,980 --> 00:03:06,810 UFO Congress alright I get to meet him 73 00:03:11,870 --> 00:03:09,990 good yeah so last week I posted at least 74 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:11,880 half of a round half of our speakers 75 00:03:18,140 --> 00:03:14,400 that'll be there an exciting list and 76 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:18,150 Nick Redfern is among them so I'm really 77 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:19,110 excited about that 78 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:22,140 yeah he's he's great yeah pretty cool 79 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:24,450 pretty cool that's a really interesting 80 00:03:29,449 --> 00:03:27,690 stuff and other news you know last week 81 00:03:31,490 --> 00:03:29,459 I touched on that Porto Rico thing and 82 00:03:33,620 --> 00:03:31,500 and I don't want to bring talked about 83 00:03:37,670 --> 00:03:33,630 it too much here because we already did 84 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:37,680 but I did want to add this interesting 85 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:40,260 development which is that we have heard 86 00:03:46,130 --> 00:03:43,860 from a couple of experts who work on 87 00:03:49,340 --> 00:03:46,140 those systems are very familiar with 88 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:49,350 those thermal imaging systems in one 89 00:03:52,910 --> 00:03:50,970 case the gentlemen I have been going 90 00:03:55,370 --> 00:03:52,920 back and forth with worked on these 91 00:03:58,730 --> 00:03:55,380 things for thousands of hours he's like 92 00:04:01,460 --> 00:03:58,740 a very high level maintenance person 93 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:01,470 with them as high level as you can get 94 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:04,770 and he agrees with the analysis he says 95 00:04:13,850 --> 00:04:08,430 that what is seen in this Porto Rican 96 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:13,860 UFO clear image is not a balloon and 97 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:15,540 it's nothing he's ever seen before and 98 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:17,940 his argument for it not being a balloon 99 00:04:23,659 --> 00:04:21,690 especially is that it's too hot that you 100 00:04:25,820 --> 00:04:23,669 know it's very dark in the image which 101 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:25,830 means it's a hot object and it's way too 102 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:26,730 hot as 103 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:28,050 specially if you compare it to the heat 104 00:04:33,860 --> 00:04:30,030 signatures that you can see of the 105 00:04:36,050 --> 00:04:33,870 vehicles and planes that you can see in 106 00:04:37,670 --> 00:04:36,060 the background of this thing that it's 107 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:37,680 way too hot to be a balloon so he 108 00:04:45,170 --> 00:04:42,210 doesn't think it could be that and yeah 109 00:04:46,910 --> 00:04:45,180 so he agrees with the analysis and he 110 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:46,920 says it's it's one of the strangest 111 00:04:50,540 --> 00:04:49,110 things he's ever seen he and his people 112 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:50,550 around the office have been passing 113 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:52,770 around and they're all pretty taken 114 00:04:57,950 --> 00:04:54,780 aback by it so yeah some pretty positive 115 00:05:00,520 --> 00:04:57,960 stuff regarding that really interesting 116 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:00,530 and you have your show this week is 117 00:05:05,570 --> 00:05:03,090 interview with the people that have been 118 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:05,580 researching this as well yeah normally 119 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:09,510 that would have gone up on on Monday but 120 00:05:15,770 --> 00:05:12,090 I was sick the last couple days in bed 121 00:05:19,100 --> 00:05:15,780 rolling around in bed with fever and the 122 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:19,110 yuckiness but that is going up that's 123 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:21,510 gone up today so you have an interview 124 00:05:26,930 --> 00:05:23,610 with the two of the researchers Robert 125 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:26,940 Powell and Morgan BL and we talked more 126 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:28,770 about this and they give a lot of 127 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:31,050 interesting background that people don't 128 00:05:35,810 --> 00:05:34,410 know yet which is a large part of all of 129 00:05:39,140 --> 00:05:35,820 this that I think people are going to 130 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:39,150 find terribly interesting great great so 131 00:05:43,310 --> 00:05:41,490 what else is happening what else is 132 00:05:47,380 --> 00:05:43,320 happening well this is kind of a funny 133 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:47,390 story and I got lucky and as I will 134 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:50,130 sometimes when I'm looking for stories 135 00:05:54,590 --> 00:05:52,710 this is a story written by Roger Marsh 136 00:05:57,380 --> 00:05:54,600 MUFON director of communication but he 137 00:06:00,290 --> 00:05:57,390 also writes for us and it's a story 138 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:00,300 about bears but what's funny about this 139 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:03,240 it's gotten the news bears and UFOs and 140 00:06:07,790 --> 00:06:05,670 I don't it just looks like the media 141 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:07,800 decided to pick up on the UFO thing 142 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:11,160 because it's popular and they said study 143 00:06:18,650 --> 00:06:14,970 finds bears react to UFOs overhead so it 144 00:06:23,420 --> 00:06:18,660 really is and bears reacting to UFOs but 145 00:06:25,850 --> 00:06:23,430 it is bears reacting to drones so they 146 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:25,860 wanted to know how much of a disturbance 147 00:06:29,570 --> 00:06:28,050 drones and things are to bears and if 148 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:29,580 they would even notice because bears 149 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:32,430 seem to not really pay attention to bugs 150 00:06:36,020 --> 00:06:33,690 and stuff like that 151 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:36,030 why bears though I mean there's a 152 00:06:40,469 --> 00:06:38,400 there's thousands of different animals 153 00:06:42,929 --> 00:06:40,479 in the forest what why 154 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:42,939 why are they picking out bears to test 155 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:45,039 us on maybe because there are big 156 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:47,889 predators that really don't have a 157 00:06:52,950 --> 00:06:50,529 predator that you know that they they 158 00:06:56,939 --> 00:06:52,960 fear just to see what they how they 159 00:07:02,809 --> 00:06:56,949 would react but they just noticed that 160 00:07:11,429 --> 00:07:06,510 UFOs and of course the drone to them 161 00:07:13,260 --> 00:07:11,439 would be that thing is flying around 162 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:13,270 above them but it kind of funny story 163 00:07:16,589 --> 00:07:14,800 and I say I got lucky with the picture 164 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:16,599 because I found this picture and it's a 165 00:07:22,350 --> 00:07:19,360 real picture from this guy in Canada who 166 00:07:24,749 --> 00:07:22,360 was taking pictures wildlife pictures 167 00:07:27,719 --> 00:07:24,759 and a bear came up so he ran into his 168 00:07:30,239 --> 00:07:27,729 car and the bear but he left his camera 169 00:07:32,969 --> 00:07:30,249 on the tripod with the zoom lens and 170 00:07:36,420 --> 00:07:32,979 everything and a bear came up to his 171 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:36,430 camera and stood up and looked into his 172 00:07:40,799 --> 00:07:38,289 camera so it looks like this bears 173 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:40,809 looking through this camera it's a 174 00:07:45,899 --> 00:07:42,430 really funny picture it's a cool picture 175 00:07:48,749 --> 00:07:45,909 but interesting enough you know it's not 176 00:07:51,089 --> 00:07:48,759 to UFO related but people just must love 177 00:07:52,409 --> 00:07:51,099 the fuzzy bear so actually that story 178 00:07:54,139 --> 00:07:52,419 did pretty well that's people were 179 00:07:59,730 --> 00:07:54,149 looking at that because it's kind of fun 180 00:08:03,659 --> 00:07:59,740 right but more down to business okay 181 00:08:06,089 --> 00:08:03,669 UFO businesses Roger also wrote 182 00:08:09,239 --> 00:08:06,099 something about a MUFON report that came 183 00:08:11,909 --> 00:08:09,249 in and this is a three triangular UFOs 184 00:08:14,969 --> 00:08:11,919 that were allegedly seen by a family in 185 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:14,979 Alabama so this guy says it was about 186 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:18,550 7:00 p.m. on August 10th when he was 187 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:20,620 sitting out in the backyard and he was 188 00:08:27,269 --> 00:08:23,310 looking up and he sees a passenger jet 189 00:08:31,230 --> 00:08:27,279 he estimated to be 27 to 30 thousand 190 00:08:34,860 --> 00:08:31,240 feet high and but then out of the 191 00:08:37,649 --> 00:08:34,870 peripheral of his eyes he said he saw a 192 00:08:40,980 --> 00:08:37,659 another object flying behind it that 193 00:08:43,170 --> 00:08:40,990 seemed to be following it he looked more 194 00:08:45,780 --> 00:08:43,180 closely and he said it looked to be like 195 00:08:48,449 --> 00:08:45,790 a triangular object without wings 196 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:48,459 he was so floored by this he called his 197 00:08:54,130 --> 00:08:51,279 wife and had her come out to take a look 198 00:08:56,890 --> 00:08:54,140 - and they were 199 00:08:58,960 --> 00:08:56,900 shocked by the whole thing they then had 200 00:08:59,500 --> 00:08:58,970 talked to their son and told him about 201 00:09:02,350 --> 00:08:59,510 it 202 00:09:04,780 --> 00:09:02,360 and he said well look towards my house 203 00:09:06,850 --> 00:09:04,790 in this direction because there's a 204 00:09:09,460 --> 00:09:06,860 couple more and they said they didn't 205 00:09:15,430 --> 00:09:09,470 sure enough they saw two more so they 206 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:15,440 say they saw three triangular shaped 207 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:19,370 UFOs well so yeah and this one of the 208 00:09:25,930 --> 00:09:23,690 witnesses his background is working he's 209 00:09:28,810 --> 00:09:25,940 worked with the Army and the military 210 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:28,820 he's had top-secret clearances before 211 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:32,330 and has worked on a number of different 212 00:09:38,950 --> 00:09:35,330 top-secret type of Defense projects and 213 00:09:41,470 --> 00:09:38,960 things so he's a credible person so it 214 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:41,480 doesn't seem to be a hoax and he's built 215 00:09:50,020 --> 00:09:44,330 he saw you know three triangular UFOs 216 00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:50,030 now what is your opinion on that in the 217 00:09:54,730 --> 00:09:51,920 connection to military do you think 218 00:09:58,090 --> 00:09:54,740 there's possibly something out there the 219 00:09:59,320 --> 00:09:58,100 military has that there I mean I go back 220 00:10:01,870 --> 00:09:59,330 and forth on it because I don't 221 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:01,880 understand why they had fly in populated 222 00:10:06,790 --> 00:10:04,010 areas if they are testing something but 223 00:10:10,570 --> 00:10:06,800 I don't know there's so many triangle 224 00:10:12,430 --> 00:10:10,580 UFO sightings it seems well I that's the 225 00:10:16,990 --> 00:10:12,440 hard part I think I think we do and we 226 00:10:18,370 --> 00:10:17,000 don't for instance and in the last 227 00:10:21,540 --> 00:10:18,380 couple years there have been some 228 00:10:25,510 --> 00:10:21,550 photographs taken triangular shaped 229 00:10:28,570 --> 00:10:25,520 aircraft that have contrails and they 230 00:10:31,210 --> 00:10:28,580 don't appear to be stealth bombers or 231 00:10:33,610 --> 00:10:31,220 anything that we know of so they 232 00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:33,620 appeared to be tests testing of some 233 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:36,230 sort of triangular shaped plane now 234 00:10:41,260 --> 00:10:38,810 these have contrails which is you know 235 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:41,270 indicative of more conventional sort of 236 00:10:49,690 --> 00:10:45,110 propulsion systems when it comes to the 237 00:10:52,780 --> 00:10:49,700 tr-3b I felt that and you know David 238 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:52,790 Marlar who is now I feel an authority on 239 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:55,760 triangular aircraft she doesn't believe 240 00:11:00,820 --> 00:10:57,650 that exists there was this legend of a 241 00:11:03,610 --> 00:11:00,830 Tiki tr-3b you know anti-gravity 242 00:11:05,170 --> 00:11:03,620 triangular craft and and I've looked 243 00:11:08,150 --> 00:11:05,180 into this as well and there is no 244 00:11:10,490 --> 00:11:08,160 evidence just rumors there was a 245 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:10,500 I think it was a tiara 3a which was a 246 00:11:15,379 --> 00:11:12,750 prototype I don't even think they built 247 00:11:17,329 --> 00:11:15,389 it but it was a like stealth technology 248 00:11:21,860 --> 00:11:17,339 demonstrator type of thing it was a 249 00:11:25,069 --> 00:11:21,870 concept sort of thing but that's it but 250 00:11:27,230 --> 00:11:25,079 nothing beyond that so we don't have any 251 00:11:28,939 --> 00:11:27,240 anything beyond that because of course 252 00:11:31,069 --> 00:11:28,949 your aura out there there's a lot of 253 00:11:33,499 --> 00:11:31,079 people that fill the Aurora is real and 254 00:11:37,249 --> 00:11:33,509 there are references to something called 255 00:11:40,369 --> 00:11:37,259 the Aurora which is some sort of next 256 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:40,379 step you know crap and then there are 257 00:11:46,129 --> 00:11:42,420 other you know Popular Mechanics is 258 00:11:50,059 --> 00:11:46,139 written a lot about other possible paths 259 00:11:52,910 --> 00:11:50,069 the sr-71 you know super stealthy fast 260 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:52,920 craft that can even break orbit that are 261 00:11:59,210 --> 00:11:56,490 you know triangular shape so there I'm 262 00:12:02,900 --> 00:11:59,220 sure the military and the private sector 263 00:12:06,949 --> 00:12:02,910 are working on you know top-secret 264 00:12:09,170 --> 00:12:06,959 triangular aircraft but there's still a 265 00:12:11,540 --> 00:12:09,180 genuine mystery here because you know if 266 00:12:13,069 --> 00:12:11,550 you look at David Marr lers look she has 267 00:12:16,179 --> 00:12:13,079 cases going back to the eighteen 268 00:12:19,309 --> 00:12:16,189 hundreds of triangular shaped craft so 269 00:12:22,910 --> 00:12:19,319 so yeah it's really hard to say yep 270 00:12:27,879 --> 00:12:22,920 there was a triangle sighting right over 271 00:12:31,610 --> 00:12:27,889 my house recently which I really yes I 272 00:12:34,009 --> 00:12:31,620 didn't see it and I don't have the 273 00:12:37,009 --> 00:12:34,019 person's permission to talk about it 274 00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:37,019 really but she drew me a picture of it 275 00:12:40,670 --> 00:12:39,120 and said what do you suppose this could 276 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:40,680 be she said the lights didn't blink at 277 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:43,290 all they just stayed on and it was a 278 00:12:50,150 --> 00:12:47,310 perfect triangle with five lights so so 279 00:12:52,220 --> 00:12:50,160 I don't know you know I mean I I started 280 00:12:53,689 --> 00:12:52,230 going out at night to see if I could see 281 00:12:57,139 --> 00:12:53,699 it again or whatever you know 282 00:12:59,360 --> 00:12:57,149 but but anyway all all interesting well 283 00:13:00,829 --> 00:12:59,370 that's probably yet and I I'm glad 284 00:13:03,499 --> 00:13:00,839 you're feeling better and welcome back 285 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:03,509 and thanks so much for the news today 286 00:13:07,610 --> 00:13:05,550 all right Thank You Man 287 00:13:09,290 --> 00:13:07,620 thanks for having me on again and we'll 288 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:09,300 talk to you soon talk to you next week 289 00:13:13,939 --> 00:13:11,279 and I will actually be at the 290 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:13,949 experiencer speak coming up on actually 291 00:13:19,309 --> 00:13:17,970 next weekend on the 28th and 29th and 292 00:13:21,740 --> 00:13:19,319 I'm gonna play this little commercial 293 00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:21,750 and right after that will be a 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August 28th and 308 00:13:52,490 --> 00:13:50,610 Saturday August 29th 309 00:13:54,740 --> 00:13:52,500 fireside Inn & Suites Riverside Street 310 00:14:43,760 --> 00:13:54,750 Portland that's experiencer speak jolla 311 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:46,110 okay we're back and if you're listening 312 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:49,210 live feel free to jump over to podcast 313 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:52,450 UFO comm and jump in the chatroom there 314 00:14:59,190 --> 00:14:54,610 it's real easy sign up and a phone 315 00:15:04,950 --> 00:14:59,200 number for Collins 603 96.7 403 Oh 316 00:15:07,050 --> 00:15:04,960 Nick Redfern welcome to the show yes 317 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:07,060 always and I think you've been on a 318 00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:10,890 couple of times before in the past and 319 00:15:17,850 --> 00:15:14,320 right and my god you write a lot of 320 00:15:23,820 --> 00:15:17,860 books huh how many books do you write a 321 00:15:27,270 --> 00:15:23,830 year Nick probably about two it off 322 00:15:30,540 --> 00:15:27,280 something like that which is a lot and 323 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:30,550 uh if well for anyone who's you know 324 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:32,110 just from what I hear for people who 325 00:15:36,390 --> 00:15:34,510 have written books they just say there's 326 00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:36,400 so much involved and I know you do a lot 327 00:15:42,180 --> 00:15:38,860 of research and that that must be you 328 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:42,190 know take up a lot of the time well to 329 00:15:45,090 --> 00:15:43,810 be honest you having the research is 330 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:45,100 probably the main part and then the 331 00:15:49,170 --> 00:15:46,270 write and when you've got all the 332 00:15:52,410 --> 00:15:49,180 information the writing doesn't take too 333 00:15:54,060 --> 00:15:52,420 long I mean I tend to I like to sort of 334 00:15:55,950 --> 00:15:54,070 work regular hours I like to do 8:00 to 335 00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:55,960 5:00 Monday to Friday you know I don't 336 00:16:00,870 --> 00:15:58,570 like working at night or weekends and of 337 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:00,880 course if you work in 8 to 5 Monday to 338 00:16:06,270 --> 00:16:04,450 Friday 8 hours a day 40 hours a week you 339 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:06,280 know you can you can get a lot done in 340 00:16:10,830 --> 00:16:08,830 that period and so if you've got four or 341 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:10,840 five months to write the book or say 342 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:14,110 four months and you've got the bulky 343 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:16,120 research journey it actually works out 344 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:18,520 well it just got to kind of structure 345 00:16:23,130 --> 00:16:20,770 yourself and you just got to get down to 346 00:16:24,420 --> 00:16:23,140 getting it done you know you know I have 347 00:16:27,210 --> 00:16:24,430 a I have a friend that's been 348 00:16:29,010 --> 00:16:27,220 self-employed forever and he he does 349 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:29,020 very very well at what he does and he 350 00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:31,330 it's just the discipline he does you 351 00:16:36,210 --> 00:16:33,420 know he has this beautiful cottage on a 352 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:36,220 lake with sandy shore and and he only 353 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:38,290 goes there in the weekend he he gets up 354 00:16:42,030 --> 00:16:40,210 every morning goes to work makes a 355 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:42,040 complete day by himself 356 00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:44,050 working hard all day long that's all he 357 00:16:48,570 --> 00:16:46,270 does I mean I really congratulate anyone 358 00:16:51,210 --> 00:16:48,580 that has that type of discipline it's 359 00:16:53,310 --> 00:16:51,220 really amazing one of those things when 360 00:16:55,620 --> 00:16:53,320 you quickly get like a wake-up call that 361 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:55,630 if you don't do it don't take long 362 00:16:58,350 --> 00:16:56,410 before 363 00:17:00,840 --> 00:16:58,360 you know you get backed up and behind on 364 00:17:02,970 --> 00:17:00,850 things and you have a dead lights creep 365 00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:02,980 up on you so you know you really got to 366 00:17:08,490 --> 00:17:06,209 think about that and like any sort of 367 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:08,500 self-employed job projects ahead as well 368 00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:09,730 you know I don't want people to think 369 00:17:15,779 --> 00:17:12,640 it's just a job you know it's for me to 370 00:17:17,340 --> 00:17:15,789 passion as well oh you need himself if 371 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:17,350 you're writing and you know you were the 372 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:19,569 publisher and they contractually give 373 00:17:23,699 --> 00:17:21,970 you a day to finish you buy you've got 374 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:23,709 to finish you buy then whatever happens 375 00:17:28,770 --> 00:17:27,490 uh-huh and so I was just going to ask 376 00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:28,780 you that if they actually give you a 377 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:31,120 deadline when to complete it now they 378 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:33,610 there's some IDI do they edit the book 379 00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:35,890 afterwards how does that like once you 380 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:38,320 give them a manuscript you hand it in 381 00:17:45,419 --> 00:17:40,210 how long does it take before it actually 382 00:17:48,810 --> 00:17:45,429 hits the book stand question because it 383 00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,820 depends really on what books they might 384 00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:50,799 have coming round I ran over at the same 385 00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:53,200 time for example some publishers are 386 00:17:56,940 --> 00:17:54,880 quite relaxed and they just say hey you 387 00:17:58,289 --> 00:17:56,950 know just to us when you get it done and 388 00:18:00,899 --> 00:17:58,299 they don't give you a cut-off time 389 00:18:02,460 --> 00:18:00,909 because they might have five or six 390 00:18:04,110 --> 00:18:02,470 other books they're working on so in 391 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:04,120 other words it's not like there's going 392 00:18:10,289 --> 00:18:06,730 to be a gap in their publications anyway 393 00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:10,299 now say for example he like with a 394 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:12,669 bloodline of the gods book which is out 395 00:18:17,370 --> 00:18:15,010 now I mean if they were pointing out 396 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:17,380 another sort of ancient astronaut book 397 00:18:22,529 --> 00:18:20,350 next month they might well as said to me 398 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:22,539 you know hold up until December because 399 00:18:26,850 --> 00:18:24,370 they wouldn't want to perhaps put out 400 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:26,860 two books on the same subject pretty 401 00:18:32,610 --> 00:18:30,130 much within the same month they try and 402 00:18:34,260 --> 00:18:32,620 stagger them so you know it depends on 403 00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:34,270 circumstances what else they're 404 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:36,880 publishing you know how many more books 405 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:39,090 they've got coming out that month but 406 00:18:43,940 --> 00:18:41,080 having new page you know that they 407 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:43,950 prefer to have like a structured 408 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:46,240 timeline of when you're gonna submit it 409 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:48,370 but what most publishers when you submit 410 00:18:54,659 --> 00:18:51,610 the Word documents the amount of editing 411 00:18:56,730 --> 00:18:54,669 that goes on is really dependent on you 412 00:19:00,180 --> 00:18:56,740 know what you put into the original Word 413 00:19:02,419 --> 00:19:00,190 document for the most part of all the 414 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:02,429 books I've done it's just been a case of 415 00:19:06,060 --> 00:19:04,690 you know asking a few questions what 416 00:19:08,370 --> 00:19:06,070 does this mean could you elaborate a 417 00:19:10,109 --> 00:19:08,380 little bit more on that what's the 418 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:10,119 source of this if I've forgot to 419 00:19:14,509 --> 00:19:11,769 had one particular reference to the 420 00:19:16,889 --> 00:19:14,519 bibliography in other words it's nothing 421 00:19:19,529 --> 00:19:16,899 it's not rocket science you know it's 422 00:19:22,769 --> 00:19:19,539 just the sort of things you would expect 423 00:19:25,109 --> 00:19:22,779 that they might want to sort of have a 424 00:19:26,809 --> 00:19:25,119 question about all also but I mean I've 425 00:19:28,649 --> 00:19:26,819 never sort of been in a position of 426 00:19:30,749 --> 00:19:28,659 large scale 427 00:19:32,729 --> 00:19:30,759 editing you know where he comes back 428 00:19:34,769 --> 00:19:32,739 unrecognizable or anything like that at 429 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:34,779 all it's just literally words here and 430 00:19:40,259 --> 00:19:37,569 there not even paragraphs or chances you 431 00:19:42,329 --> 00:19:40,269 know yeah well that's good well so I do 432 00:19:44,999 --> 00:19:42,339 want to talk about bloodline of the gods 433 00:19:49,199 --> 00:19:45,009 and then you know later on we can talk 434 00:19:51,989 --> 00:19:49,209 about some of your other books but for 435 00:19:54,389 --> 00:19:51,999 the and also in the hour to I'd like to 436 00:19:57,059 --> 00:19:54,399 talk about your book I've always had a 437 00:20:00,889 --> 00:19:57,069 fascination with the men in black you 438 00:20:03,779 --> 00:20:00,899 know I'd like to talk about that so 439 00:20:06,779 --> 00:20:03,789 before we get started though on this 440 00:20:08,909 --> 00:20:06,789 particular book just for the the person 441 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:08,919 that has not heard you before most 442 00:20:12,989 --> 00:20:10,719 people have but you know just for the 443 00:20:15,299 --> 00:20:12,999 person who hasn't because since you've 444 00:20:18,299 --> 00:20:15,309 last been on the show we have a lot a 445 00:20:20,369 --> 00:20:18,309 lot of new listeners so could you just 446 00:20:22,379 --> 00:20:20,379 give your your background and what gets 447 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:22,389 you fascinated in the topic I know that 448 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:26,289 you know cryptology cryptozoology is a 449 00:20:32,339 --> 00:20:29,739 big thing of yours so kind of ahead of 450 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:32,349 UFOs if I remember as far as being a 451 00:20:36,209 --> 00:20:34,089 passion of yours 452 00:20:40,169 --> 00:20:36,219 that's what I remember from our podcast 453 00:20:42,029 --> 00:20:40,179 before go ahead if you would yeah well 454 00:20:44,939 --> 00:20:42,039 what got me interested when I was a kid 455 00:20:47,579 --> 00:20:44,949 about about six my parents took me on a 456 00:20:50,639 --> 00:20:47,589 week's holiday to Scotland and we spent 457 00:20:52,829 --> 00:20:50,649 a day at Loch Ness and I still got a few 458 00:20:54,889 --> 00:20:52,839 fragments of memories of my dad telling 459 00:20:57,179 --> 00:20:54,899 me the story the Loch Ness monster and 460 00:20:59,369 --> 00:20:57,189 when you're that kind of age I guess you 461 00:21:01,499 --> 00:20:59,379 think of things life a lot next monster 462 00:21:03,059 --> 00:21:01,509 along the lines of you know monsters 463 00:21:06,089 --> 00:21:03,069 under the bed or in the closet you know 464 00:21:09,269 --> 00:21:06,099 it's just a creepy story but then as I 465 00:21:11,879 --> 00:21:09,279 got to sort of twelve thirteen I picked 466 00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:11,889 up a few new info box and he's like John 467 00:21:17,549 --> 00:21:13,929 Kay or Brad Steiger that kind of thing 468 00:21:19,910 --> 00:21:17,559 and got into it more then when I left 469 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:19,920 school in England 470 00:21:24,289 --> 00:21:21,929 still leaving aging England is actually 471 00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:24,299 like 16 upwards you don't it's quite 472 00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:25,320 different twelve here you can leave 473 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:27,030 school at sixteen and just do what you 474 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:30,510 want and I actually wasn't that good of 475 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:33,360 a student I was sort of pretty perfectly 476 00:21:36,669 --> 00:21:35,130 you know one of those ones who sit 477 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:36,679 around there and nothing unfortunately 478 00:21:43,549 --> 00:21:39,510 but that's partly because I just I just 479 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:43,559 wasn't a good starter and so I suddenly 480 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:45,510 went from being you know a kid at school 481 00:21:52,610 --> 00:21:47,970 to in the big wide world and I was like 482 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:52,620 well what are you going to do and I just 483 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:55,650 didn't have an idea and actually looked 484 00:22:00,940 --> 00:21:58,770 around jobs that have been advertised in 485 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:00,950 the town i was living in at the time and 486 00:22:05,870 --> 00:22:03,750 just through pure look there was a new 487 00:22:08,299 --> 00:22:05,880 company that had been established in the 488 00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,309 same town and they were looking to set 489 00:22:12,740 --> 00:22:10,799 up a new magazine called zero which 490 00:22:13,820 --> 00:22:12,750 would be four sort of teenagers people 491 00:22:18,610 --> 00:22:13,830 in their twenties and it would be 492 00:22:21,650 --> 00:22:18,620 fashion Hollywood celebrity stuff gossip 493 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:21,660 interviews with TV people you know rock 494 00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:23,910 stars that kind of thing and you know 495 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:25,140 it's only called it didn't sound like a 496 00:22:28,669 --> 00:22:27,270 real job you know it can sound like I've 497 00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:28,679 gotta be talking and working in a bank 498 00:22:32,780 --> 00:22:31,260 all day and a old boring old suit and 499 00:22:37,159 --> 00:22:32,790 having some guy telling me what to do 500 00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,169 you know and so I took the interview and 501 00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:39,120 got the job and they sort of trained me 502 00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:42,840 upwards from you know the basics of how 503 00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:45,900 to interview people structuring articles 504 00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:49,320 how to begin an article so it attracts 505 00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:51,390 the reader's attention and pretty much 506 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:53,100 everything I needed to know about 507 00:22:58,190 --> 00:22:55,610 getting into the write in business and 508 00:23:00,530 --> 00:22:58,200 let job lasted a couple years and then I 509 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:00,540 did writing freelance for a while 510 00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:02,370 citizen Britain was going through a 511 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:05,700 recession and at the time and you know 512 00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:07,530 jobs are to come by so I did a bunch of 513 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:10,200 other jobs for a few years but always be 514 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:12,210 right and you know on the background as 515 00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:14,970 well and then when I was in my sort of 516 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:18,120 mid-20s I thought well you know now's 517 00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:20,850 it's like a now-or-never time you know 518 00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:22,980 sort of closing at 2:30 it's I think 519 00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,559 sometimes people feel it's too late to 520 00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:27,120 change things and I didn't want to be in 521 00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:29,070 that position so I just took a chance 522 00:23:33,769 --> 00:23:31,620 and I quit the job and I was like well 523 00:23:36,769 --> 00:23:33,779 either you make it or you don't 524 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:36,779 but I'm going to do the best to work 525 00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,570 full-time as a writer I just sort of he 526 00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:40,799 was like being pushed in the swimming 527 00:23:45,739 --> 00:23:42,179 pool of the deep and you know you either 528 00:23:48,859 --> 00:23:45,749 scream or you drown and so I sort of 529 00:23:51,649 --> 00:23:48,869 learned about the industry the best 530 00:23:54,379 --> 00:23:51,659 people to contact book publishers 531 00:23:56,229 --> 00:23:54,389 magazines newspapers and then really 532 00:23:58,999 --> 00:23:56,239 sort of you know you've got to learn to 533 00:24:01,279 --> 00:23:59,009 basically be aggressive and and pitch 534 00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:01,289 yourself and promote yourself and sell 535 00:24:07,099 --> 00:24:04,169 yourself and you keep the only way you 536 00:24:10,339 --> 00:24:07,109 can really do that is by coming up with 537 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:10,349 marketable new stories and things that 538 00:24:14,539 --> 00:24:12,330 you know the magazines and the 539 00:24:17,209 --> 00:24:14,549 publishers are gonna want to buy so 540 00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:17,219 that's not really got me involved and 541 00:24:23,239 --> 00:24:19,830 that was like 20 years ago and and I've 542 00:24:25,239 --> 00:24:23,249 done it ever since but I do like a lot 543 00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,249 of freelance writers which is a very 544 00:24:30,739 --> 00:24:28,080 precarious job you know I think a lot of 545 00:24:32,989 --> 00:24:30,749 people assume that if you write UFO 546 00:24:34,219 --> 00:24:32,999 books even one you know you're living in 547 00:24:37,879 --> 00:24:34,229 the Hollywood Hills and driving a 548 00:24:41,479 --> 00:24:37,889 Ferrari which actually I could assure 549 00:24:43,450 --> 00:24:41,489 you is not the case but it is I mean 550 00:24:47,169 --> 00:24:43,460 don't get me wrong if you can do a job 551 00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,179 that you really enjoy that's a bonus 552 00:24:51,889 --> 00:24:50,159 that's right it is a precarious job and 553 00:24:55,009 --> 00:24:51,899 you need your wits about you need to 554 00:24:57,469 --> 00:24:55,019 project ahead months and I'd stay on top 555 00:25:00,109 --> 00:24:57,479 of things but if you can do that and you 556 00:25:02,329 --> 00:25:00,119 enjoy it you know you get the rewards 557 00:25:06,139 --> 00:25:02,339 from doing something that gives you 558 00:25:08,539 --> 00:25:06,149 satisfaction as well yes no I agree with 559 00:25:11,419 --> 00:25:08,549 a lot of that and you know I heard of 560 00:25:15,769 --> 00:25:11,429 saying you know successes is loving what 561 00:25:19,579 --> 00:25:15,779 you have to do and I I really you know I 562 00:25:22,129 --> 00:25:19,589 really promote anyone that is trying to 563 00:25:25,820 --> 00:25:22,139 get to do their you know trying to do 564 00:25:27,709 --> 00:25:25,830 their passion whatever it is and you 565 00:25:29,299 --> 00:25:27,719 know sometimes the money comes along you 566 00:25:32,209 --> 00:25:29,309 know and usually it does if you're 567 00:25:37,459 --> 00:25:32,219 really really into that's how that's how 568 00:25:40,099 --> 00:25:37,469 I feel anyway from the subject but I 569 00:25:41,299 --> 00:25:40,109 mean acts I mean people might find it 570 00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:41,309 interest you know if they want to get 571 00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:43,320 into this field they're probably only 572 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:47,400 about 30 percent of my income is called 573 00:25:53,270 --> 00:25:49,140 the book right in the rest just comes 574 00:25:57,140 --> 00:25:53,280 from mainstream journalism newspaper 575 00:25:59,320 --> 00:25:57,150 magazine work and I also do editing and 576 00:26:02,380 --> 00:25:59,330 proofreading services for other authors 577 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:02,390 as well and often on you know just 578 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:04,290 subjects have nothing to do with the 579 00:26:11,030 --> 00:26:08,730 paranormal at all and say no it's sort 580 00:26:14,420 --> 00:26:11,040 of a combination it's a job in writing 581 00:26:17,030 --> 00:26:14,430 but it's a combination widely sort of 582 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:17,040 very different subjects yeah yeah I 583 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:19,020 think there is I've talked about it a 584 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:21,210 number of times on this show on that 585 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:22,530 there is a little bit of a misconception 586 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:24,570 that you know people think just because 587 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:27,690 you see someone like yourself I've seen 588 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,650 you on many documentaries on on on the 589 00:26:36,410 --> 00:26:34,320 History Channel and you know you're 590 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:36,420 you're all over the screen 591 00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:37,740 you're not exactly getting rich from 592 00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:42,000 that either well most TV shows you know 593 00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,520 they have a set fee which isn't a bad 594 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:46,500 fee but you know you may only do the 595 00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:48,030 show once a year you know that kind of 596 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:50,220 thing and you know somebody else's show 597 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:52,170 you and again you know I mean I enjoy 598 00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:54,630 doing them because sometimes you get to 599 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:57,059 travel on location so shoots place 600 00:27:00,410 --> 00:26:58,290 you've never been in before 601 00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:00,420 so it's sort of like a cool road trip 602 00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:02,670 experience as well as doing the TV show 603 00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,200 which I enjoy you know but yeah I mean 604 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:09,120 so they they you know some working and I 605 00:27:12,290 --> 00:27:10,530 do a lot of work in the music industry 606 00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:12,300 as well and I kind of draw an analogy 607 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:16,020 between people who write books and and 608 00:27:20,660 --> 00:27:19,290 bands you know it's like if you're busy 609 00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:20,670 as a band you can earn a living on the 610 00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:22,590 road because today you know we've 611 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:25,140 downloads CDs don't sell as much as they 612 00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:26,850 used to you know some bands after 613 00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:29,280 another way and if you busy and you keep 614 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:31,140 on top of things you can earn a living 615 00:27:36,490 --> 00:27:34,290 but it's only you know a few bands that 616 00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:36,500 actually kind of reached the position of 617 00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:40,350 you know you know just made a sellout 618 00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:43,320 set set you know what I mean it's this 619 00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:45,480 sort of most bands kind of go along at a 620 00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:47,640 certain level then every so often you'll 621 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:49,380 find one that sort of shoots up to 622 00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:51,650 number one and they're gigantic 623 00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:55,740 and they maintained that few years until 624 00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:59,700 his time from to get off yes yes and I 625 00:28:03,910 --> 00:28:01,260 kind of sort of it quite that we 626 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,920 with right in it's it's an unpredictable 627 00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:06,720 business but for me I enjoy the 628 00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:08,430 unpredictable aspect of it because you 629 00:28:13,790 --> 00:28:11,040 never really know what might happen and 630 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:13,800 what can happen and the doors it can 631 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:16,050 open so no it always say to people if 632 00:28:20,270 --> 00:28:18,090 they you know I own safety I think 633 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:20,280 everybody has got a story in them a book 634 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:23,130 or you know there's always something 635 00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:24,720 that happens in somebody's life that 636 00:28:29,150 --> 00:28:27,480 would lend itself to a book and hope 637 00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,160 people so how'd you start I said well 638 00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,720 you know you just write it down as it 639 00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:33,120 happened and go back and look at it the 640 00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:36,030 next day and you often think then I'll 641 00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:37,560 change that it'd look better if I did 642 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:40,800 this and it's you know like I said you 643 00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,990 don't have to be Einstein I mean I'm a 644 00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:44,880 good example I mean I could tell you I 645 00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,470 went to college university got all these 646 00:28:51,410 --> 00:28:48,900 big degrees I didn't I walked out of 647 00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:51,420 school at 16 and what are you gonna do 648 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:54,620 you know you do what you're gonna do so 649 00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:57,570 so anybody can do it you know that's 650 00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:00,900 right well that's uh yeah no I wouldn't 651 00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:04,860 say anybody but I think you know I don't 652 00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:07,590 think education this means always means 653 00:29:13,570 --> 00:29:10,560 now I may be insulting someone that you 654 00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:13,580 know really went to a lot of schooling 655 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:16,200 but education doesn't always mean that 656 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:18,090 someone is really successful at 657 00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:19,410 something you know I know someone that 658 00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,660 well made it to the ninth grade and you 659 00:29:26,330 --> 00:29:23,600 know he sold this company recently for 660 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:26,340 240 million dollars so that's not too 661 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:28,650 bad well you know actually make a good 662 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:31,110 point there because I mean you know I'm 663 00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:33,450 not saying education isn't important 664 00:29:37,910 --> 00:29:35,670 because it is but I mean I've run across 665 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:37,920 people who've gone from school to 666 00:29:42,730 --> 00:29:41,010 college to university and they become 667 00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:42,740 teachers and they go back to school and 668 00:29:48,290 --> 00:29:45,720 they haven't really seen much of the big 669 00:29:50,270 --> 00:29:48,300 wide world you know they said I left 670 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:50,280 school at 16 and I was sort of on the 671 00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:53,460 road interviewing bands of 17 behind 672 00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:56,340 backstage you know I was thrust into the 673 00:30:01,010 --> 00:29:58,910 big wide world quickly and I enjoyed it 674 00:30:03,020 --> 00:30:01,020 you know and I was sort of traveling 675 00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:03,030 around here there and everywhere you 676 00:30:07,790 --> 00:30:06,360 know I just you get expenses given to 677 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:07,800 you you know you've got a book your 678 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:10,290 flight and all this business and you 679 00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:12,510 know to do that at 16 you know it's well 680 00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,760 it's like jumping into something new 681 00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,799 for me it was good because you don't 682 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:19,200 just learn about you know taking your 683 00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:21,690 own responsibilities but you also learn 684 00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:24,750 quickly that what the big worlds like 685 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:27,179 and sometimes I think when people are 686 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:29,880 encased in just you know going from 687 00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:32,250 school to university and doing thanks 688 00:30:35,390 --> 00:30:34,169 trading to a job and not seeing the 689 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:35,400 world around them 690 00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:38,610 you know it's it's kind of living in 691 00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:40,830 almost like a like a glass house you 692 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:42,630 don't see what's going on outside or you 693 00:30:47,299 --> 00:30:45,450 don't experience it and and that's one 694 00:30:49,659 --> 00:30:47,309 of the good things that right in and and 695 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:49,669 things like this you do get to sort of 696 00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:52,650 diversify and you know experience this 697 00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:54,990 and see that and how did you end up in 698 00:31:04,610 --> 00:30:58,919 the u.s. well actually I got a job offer 699 00:31:07,159 --> 00:31:04,620 a big I've lived in the US for about 15 700 00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:07,169 years and actually got a job offer I 701 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:09,660 said I do contract research for authors 702 00:31:14,299 --> 00:31:12,750 and it was basically like that it was a 703 00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:14,309 widening your contracts of them rolled 704 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:16,919 over into a three-year one and a lot of 705 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:19,290 it was based around the the Dallas area 706 00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:23,970 where I moved to and I still have been 707 00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:26,580 here 15 years and yeah I like it over 708 00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,820 here and did all the legal stuff and you 709 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:32,640 know officially emigrated just in case 710 00:31:39,169 --> 00:31:37,260 Donald Trump's listening you know did 711 00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:39,179 all that paperwork which you know so me 712 00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:40,919 I think it's the right thing to do if 713 00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:42,059 you're gonna come to somebody else's 714 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:46,200 country and live you know you abide by 715 00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:49,770 by their regulations and and yeah you 716 00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:51,419 know I like it over here I live in the 717 00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,600 Dallas area still and we're just outside 718 00:32:01,159 --> 00:31:57,840 Dallas and sebacean that's what brought 719 00:32:02,659 --> 00:32:01,169 me over and like I said that was 720 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:02,669 actually 15 years ago uh-huh 721 00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:04,530 okay so let's talk about your book 722 00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,100 before we start Matthew I'm not sure 723 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:10,559 where he is he's in the chat room every 724 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:13,290 single time he has been for several 725 00:32:20,409 --> 00:32:16,650 months and he is always asking this 726 00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:20,419 question about the Rh negative factor so 727 00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,740 hopefully he'll catch the podcast if 728 00:32:26,419 --> 00:32:24,480 he's not available on this because I 729 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:26,429 knew if he was going to be in the chat 730 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:27,650 room he'd have a million 731 00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:31,850 for you so the the book is the short 732 00:32:38,170 --> 00:32:35,830 title to it is bloodline of the gods and 733 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:38,180 I'm trying to read what what is the 734 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:41,690 tagline is unravel the mystery of the 735 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:45,140 human blood type to reveal the aliens 736 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:48,650 among us yes I enjoy having like long 737 00:32:58,180 --> 00:32:55,730 sub tiles so what how did you you know 738 00:33:01,780 --> 00:32:58,190 how did you get interested in this topic 739 00:33:03,970 --> 00:33:01,790 in it it is such a you know it's kind of 740 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:03,980 a topic you wouldn't normally think 741 00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,410 about and the only reason I think about 742 00:33:09,790 --> 00:33:08,000 it have thought about it at all is 743 00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,800 because again from this guy named 744 00:33:13,690 --> 00:33:11,360 Matthew that's in the chatroom 745 00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:13,700 he's always talking about he has a great 746 00:33:21,910 --> 00:33:17,900 interest in in the connections of 747 00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:21,920 abductees as well so yeah let's hear 748 00:33:26,890 --> 00:33:24,740 about it well yeah you're right it is 749 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:26,900 kind of an obscure subject and for the 750 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:29,810 most part in terms of the UFO research 751 00:33:34,540 --> 00:33:31,370 field it has sort of gone under the 752 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:34,550 radar for a long time now you know if 753 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:36,530 you google Rh negative blood you can 754 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:39,710 find a lot of just regular you know 755 00:33:45,070 --> 00:33:41,890 medicine based stories you know it 756 00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:45,080 Hospital sites doctors medical sites 757 00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:47,240 that kind of thing which will give you a 758 00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:49,190 lot of just straightforward background 759 00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:53,380 on the Rh negative situation 760 00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:56,030 occasionally you know you'll drop on one 761 00:34:00,550 --> 00:33:59,240 that relates to the UFO subjects now one 762 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:00,560 of the things I always look for when I'm 763 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:02,570 writing a book you know people are gonna 764 00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,910 buy your book you want to be able to 765 00:34:08,649 --> 00:34:06,320 give them value for money and give them 766 00:34:10,419 --> 00:34:08,659 something new I mean I could tell you 767 00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:10,429 some horror stories about some 768 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:12,460 well-known authors who just have total 769 00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:15,890 disregard for their audiences you know 770 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:17,960 and I've almost come to fistfights with 771 00:34:22,659 --> 00:34:19,870 a couple of them which I mean literally 772 00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:22,669 you know because they're like well you 773 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:23,960 know they'll buy my books because it's 774 00:34:27,610 --> 00:34:25,850 my name it doesn't really matter you 775 00:34:29,169 --> 00:34:27,620 know to me that's wrong you know you got 776 00:34:30,730 --> 00:34:29,179 to show your audience respect because 777 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:30,740 they're the people buying your book so 778 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:32,330 you know the only reason I'm able to do 779 00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:34,370 what I do is because you know I'm 780 00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:37,310 fortunate enough people don't buy the 781 00:34:40,510 --> 00:34:38,870 books and I appreciate the fact that 782 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:40,520 they do and I want to be able to give 783 00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,570 something back whether it's 784 00:34:46,870 --> 00:34:43,760 hanging out you know over a bearded 785 00:34:50,740 --> 00:34:46,880 conference or you know the lecture or 786 00:34:53,620 --> 00:34:50,750 just by you know sign in order to graph 787 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:53,630 or whatever and so that comes back to 788 00:34:56,770 --> 00:34:55,370 the issue of when I'm looking for a new 789 00:34:58,420 --> 00:34:56,780 book you want to give the person who 790 00:35:00,370 --> 00:34:58,430 said value for money and could try and 791 00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:00,380 come up with something new rather than 792 00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:04,670 regurgitating old stuff and so I was 793 00:35:10,090 --> 00:35:07,430 looking around for ideas that were sort 794 00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:10,100 of a little bit untouched but we're 795 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:13,460 known to a degree at least and one of 796 00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:15,110 the things that popped up was the whole 797 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,270 issue of you know Rh negative blood and 798 00:35:21,550 --> 00:35:19,760 to a degree are still build upon it's 799 00:35:25,060 --> 00:35:21,560 sort of by accidents from the 800 00:35:28,090 --> 00:35:25,070 perspective of team in a few stories 801 00:35:29,770 --> 00:35:28,100 like online or seen stories online or 802 00:35:32,410 --> 00:35:29,780 you know listening German conferences 803 00:35:36,190 --> 00:35:32,420 where a few people said you know Rh 804 00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:36,200 negative blood and ABC etc etc and then 805 00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:37,580 I realize that well you know that's 806 00:35:42,130 --> 00:35:39,710 another person who's Rh negative and 807 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:42,140 another so I literally one day I just 808 00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:46,250 googled Rh negative blood plus UFO it 809 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:48,020 was that simple and found a few leads 810 00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:50,690 here and there researching further and 811 00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:52,790 then starting putting the word out a 812 00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:54,500 little bit means very more people and 813 00:36:00,400 --> 00:35:56,750 more people and I realized that it was 814 00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:00,410 actually not just a minor obscure aspect 815 00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:03,110 it was actually a large aspect and he's 816 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:05,300 a large aspect of the subject but very 817 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:07,010 few people have been talking about it 818 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:08,090 you know it's kind of like the whole 819 00:36:12,340 --> 00:36:09,770 issue like the elephants in the room you 820 00:36:15,460 --> 00:36:12,350 know it's there in front of us but he 821 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:15,470 hardly ever gets touched upon and then I 822 00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:16,850 thought well you know trying to do 823 00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:19,400 something about that and sort of redress 824 00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:21,470 the situation and that's what prompted 825 00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:26,390 me to do ah uh-huh and so let's talk 826 00:36:32,290 --> 00:36:29,390 about well first of all there's a 827 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:32,300 question that someone sent me an e-mail 828 00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:34,970 today and they had a they had a question 829 00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:37,520 they wanted me to ask you and that is is 830 00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:41,510 it possible for Rh positive parents to 831 00:36:46,690 --> 00:36:45,200 give birth to an Rh negative child yes 832 00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:46,700 it actually is 833 00:36:52,990 --> 00:36:49,760 I actually know someone who falls into 834 00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:53,000 that category there are there are risks 835 00:36:57,929 --> 00:36:54,400 we have 836 00:37:01,380 --> 00:36:57,939 an Rh negative parents purse excuse me 837 00:37:03,509 --> 00:37:01,390 nothing been an Rh positive parents and 838 00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:03,519 I explained why that is 839 00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:07,869 if you have say an Rh negative father an 840 00:37:14,249 --> 00:37:11,140 Rh positive mother B you know when the 841 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:14,259 fetus starts to grow that can be that 842 00:37:17,219 --> 00:37:16,209 can actually be no problems at all now a 843 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:17,229 lot of people don't realize that 844 00:37:23,249 --> 00:37:20,529 although you know the the unborn baby 845 00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:23,259 actually is gets its nourishment from 846 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:25,689 the mother the mother's blood stream and 847 00:37:30,779 --> 00:37:28,390 the blood sharing the fate is they don't 848 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:30,789 cross they don't mix that actually kept 849 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:33,249 separate however if there are sort of 850 00:37:37,049 --> 00:37:35,890 few concerns about the fetus and you 851 00:37:39,809 --> 00:37:37,059 know there at this procedure where a 852 00:37:41,609 --> 00:37:39,819 needle is inserted to allow them to type 853 00:37:44,309 --> 00:37:41,619 look from the faintest to check it all 854 00:37:46,049 --> 00:37:44,319 out if during that process a little bit 855 00:37:49,049 --> 00:37:46,059 of that blood gets into the mother's 856 00:37:54,209 --> 00:37:49,059 blood stream what's very weird is that 857 00:37:57,870 --> 00:37:54,219 the Rh positive mother her basically her 858 00:38:00,299 --> 00:37:57,880 entire body recognizes the negative 859 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:00,309 blood has been foreign and essentially 860 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:03,130 alien and deadly and the mother then the 861 00:38:07,709 --> 00:38:05,170 mother's body literally tries to kill 862 00:38:09,919 --> 00:38:07,719 the unborn fetus right and that can be 863 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:09,929 extremely dangerous to the point where 864 00:38:14,609 --> 00:38:12,130 fortunately today we have drugs that 865 00:38:17,819 --> 00:38:14,619 will combat that but in the past you 866 00:38:19,439 --> 00:38:17,829 know the baby would be at major risk at 867 00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:19,449 the very least you can cause severe 868 00:38:24,209 --> 00:38:21,670 anemia because the mother's body 869 00:38:25,919 --> 00:38:24,219 actually prevents the baby from 870 00:38:27,929 --> 00:38:25,929 absorbing all the nourishment and so 871 00:38:30,089 --> 00:38:27,939 they become like the equivalents of like 872 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:30,099 a young anorexic girl who doesn't eat 873 00:38:34,949 --> 00:38:32,410 you know but they're not not eating 874 00:38:36,419 --> 00:38:34,959 deliberately it's it's the mother's 875 00:38:39,449 --> 00:38:36,429 blood body's trying to shut down the 876 00:38:41,489 --> 00:38:39,459 fetus so in other words that is one of 877 00:38:44,459 --> 00:38:41,499 the strangest things that being Rh 878 00:38:48,209 --> 00:38:44,469 negative versus positive is that the Rh 879 00:38:48,799 --> 00:38:48,219 negative baby is viewed as alien no pun 880 00:38:51,419 --> 00:38:48,809 intended 881 00:38:55,890 --> 00:38:51,429 uh-huh now so getting back to that 882 00:38:58,559 --> 00:38:55,900 question so it if it is if to Rh 883 00:39:00,419 --> 00:38:58,569 positive parents can give birth to an Rh 884 00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:00,429 negative how does that fit in with your 885 00:39:06,029 --> 00:39:04,390 your theories in this book well yeah I 886 00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:06,039 mean that's a good point because you 887 00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:08,110 know there's the the whole issue 888 00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:12,430 of rh-negative parents versus you know 889 00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:15,070 an Rh negative baby it demonstrates that 890 00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:18,280 sometimes you know this can happen at 891 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:21,310 random but the the reason why I wrote 892 00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:23,830 the book is because when you study the 893 00:39:30,990 --> 00:39:27,880 Rh negative phenomenon overall we find a 894 00:39:34,170 --> 00:39:31,000 higher percentage of Rh negative who are 895 00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:34,180 either abductees contactees who've had 896 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:38,140 profound UFO experiences so in other 897 00:39:43,170 --> 00:39:40,260 words even if some of these events 898 00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:43,180 appear to occur at random you know there 899 00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:44,590 are unanswered question as to why that 900 00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:47,590 might happen but even if that does 901 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:51,840 happen we still see you know sort of a 902 00:39:57,870 --> 00:39:54,930 like a greater level of people who are 903 00:40:00,330 --> 00:39:57,880 into this subject and so that's what 904 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:00,340 leads me to believe that being Rh 905 00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:02,530 negative is not just a matter of you 906 00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:04,630 know being different to an rx+ person 907 00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:07,420 there's something else going on evening 908 00:40:11,550 --> 00:40:09,190 to like it of mindset level where the 909 00:40:13,530 --> 00:40:11,560 people feel driven and drawn to this 910 00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:13,540 subject Wow okay 911 00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:15,580 so if you're listening live you can jump 912 00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:18,070 into the chat room at podcast UFO comm 913 00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:20,710 and ask a question or you can call in at 914 00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:24,640 six oh three nine six seven four o3o 915 00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:28,240 a lot of people listening right now Nick 916 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:31,510 but very we get very few calls so just 917 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:35,770 letting you know but now now can you 918 00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:40,410 kind of explain the book in general and 919 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:43,390 you know and go over the some of the 920 00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:46,330 bullet points of the book as far as you 921 00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:49,870 know the connection of possible possible 922 00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:54,340 aliens well yeah well just so people 923 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:55,750 understand because you know sort of 924 00:41:01,320 --> 00:40:57,850 ladings we help them understand the 925 00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:01,330 nature of it just give you a quick 926 00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:03,460 rundown and what Rh negative blood 927 00:41:08,430 --> 00:41:05,740 actually is and what it means now 928 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:08,440 somewhere in the region of sort of 85 to 929 00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:12,130 90 percent of the population is Rh 930 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:15,220 positive so it's about sort of 10 to 12 931 00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:18,820 percent but he's rh-negative now RH 932 00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:22,020 stance erases as in the rhesus monkey 933 00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:26,640 and essentially an Rh positive person 934 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:29,700 blood therefore types of blood a B a B 935 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:33,090 and O and those classifications come 936 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:35,010 from what are called the antigens of a 937 00:41:39,290 --> 00:41:37,290 person's blood cells and antigens are 938 00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:39,300 proteins that are found on the surface 939 00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:42,150 of cells to combat bacteria and viruses 940 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:47,160 now those antigens those proteins if you 941 00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:49,890 have those you Rh positive the Rh 942 00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:52,350 negatives don't possess any of those 943 00:41:58,100 --> 00:41:55,500 proteins that the rest of us have so 944 00:42:00,500 --> 00:41:58,110 this begs a question if the theory of 945 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:00,510 evolution is 100% correct 946 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:02,850 why is it that a small percentage of the 947 00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:05,130 population has such radically different 948 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:08,369 blood to the others and why should they 949 00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:11,010 have this UFO connection to a greater 950 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:13,140 degree percentage-wise in the rest of 951 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:15,210 the population so that's when we have to 952 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:17,850 sort of try and figure out why that 953 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:18,570 should be 954 00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:22,050 and the miss gets what you said about 955 00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:24,030 the theme of the bullet points one of 956 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:25,110 the things I'd point out is that 957 00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:28,170 although 10 to 15% of populations Rh 958 00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:30,750 negative there's actually a one group of 959 00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,790 people where it rises from anywhere 960 00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:35,280 between about 45 and 55 percent and 961 00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:37,140 that's what's called the basked people 962 00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:38,940 of Spain B is quue 963 00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,430 and there as I said their figures are 964 00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:43,440 like 45 to 55 percent 965 00:42:48,859 --> 00:42:45,900 well the Basque people have a unique 966 00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:48,869 language which is not totally unknown 967 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:52,260 anywhere else in in Europe it's so weird 968 00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:54,090 and strange it doesn't resemble any 969 00:42:58,700 --> 00:42:56,220 other European language and it's been 970 00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,710 suspected that it's like a modern-day 971 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:01,280 equivalents of a very ancient language 972 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:03,330 one of the theories is that it's 973 00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:05,450 actually the language of cro-magnon man 974 00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:09,510 because the superficially at least the 975 00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:11,220 Basques do resent are probably the 976 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:14,340 closest living relative to the 977 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:16,170 cro-magnons they resemble them in 978 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:18,330 certain ways they're like a larger 979 00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:20,490 forehead more prominence their bodies 980 00:43:27,020 --> 00:43:24,180 are more bulky and the areas where the 981 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:27,030 bastard prominent are also the areas 982 00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,810 where cro-magnon man proliferating now 983 00:43:34,310 --> 00:43:32,400 there are other areas of the planet 984 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:34,320 where there were cro-magnons and there's 985 00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:35,850 a higher percentage of RH 986 00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:38,430 negatives in those areas in the same way 987 00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:40,350 where the bass clear in France in Spain 988 00:43:45,350 --> 00:43:43,020 there's a higher percentage of Irish 989 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,360 negatives there and cro-magnon man lived 990 00:43:50,810 --> 00:43:47,760 there which is of almost like a solid 991 00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:50,820 indicator that cro-magnon man was also 992 00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:54,240 Rh negative and this then leads into the 993 00:43:59,060 --> 00:43:56,670 issue of why cro-magnon man should have 994 00:44:01,160 --> 00:43:59,070 been Rh negative and possibly not the 995 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:01,170 Neanderthals or some of the early other 996 00:44:08,090 --> 00:44:05,010 types of human and from there that leads 997 00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,100 into the theories postulated by various 998 00:44:13,090 --> 00:44:10,560 people who studied the ancient aliens 999 00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:13,100 angle that was cro-magnon man 1000 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:16,020 genetically manipulated in the distant 1001 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:18,330 past possibly to be some sort of slave 1002 00:44:26,050 --> 00:44:22,530 species and if it was was it modified to 1003 00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:26,060 be sort of more of a robust worker type 1004 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:30,780 entity and did that involve making it Rh 1005 00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:33,270 negative because there are indications 1006 00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:35,940 that Rh negatives other greater 1007 00:44:40,610 --> 00:44:38,520 resistance to certain viruses and 1008 00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:40,620 diseases they have slightly lower blood 1009 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:42,750 pressure which is good you know people 1010 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:44,250 are pressures slightly lower than normal 1011 00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:45,570 that's actually good for your heart and 1012 00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:48,630 everything so in other words the issue 1013 00:44:53,540 --> 00:44:50,910 of was somebody in the distant past 1014 00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:53,550 trying to refine an early human species 1015 00:45:01,720 --> 00:44:57,030 and as a result did they create some 1016 00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:01,730 sort of Rh negative entity if you like 1017 00:45:10,460 --> 00:45:06,900 Wow now so you're saying that there's 1018 00:45:16,850 --> 00:45:10,470 maybe 12 percent of the u.s. population 1019 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:16,860 and so what is the connection to UFOs I 1020 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:18,570 mean I would think that if someone's 1021 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:20,850 filling out a UFO report for one that 1022 00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:23,490 blood type is nothing that they would 1023 00:45:29,650 --> 00:45:27,300 you know indicate but so how would you 1024 00:45:32,810 --> 00:45:29,660 do some research as far as this goes 1025 00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:32,820 well a lot of it stems from the fact 1026 00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:34,680 that you know the more the story gets 1027 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:36,540 out there the more people come forward 1028 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:40,170 and say hey I'm Rh negative and the 1029 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:42,690 percentage who come forward demonstrates 1030 00:45:48,590 --> 00:45:45,330 you know I mean it's not like it's the 1031 00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:48,600 majority population who get abducted 1032 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:51,900 you know I mean that's not the majority 1033 00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:54,090 of optimum population get abducted in 1034 00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:55,800 the first place but when we find a 1035 00:46:01,160 --> 00:45:58,980 larger percentage are Rh negative you 1036 00:46:02,540 --> 00:46:01,170 know people who read about this because 1037 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:02,550 they want to learn more about their 1038 00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:04,890 experiences they then realize that hey 1039 00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:06,600 I'm not alone there are other RH 1040 00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:08,460 negatives so in other words a lot of 1041 00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:10,590 this comes through word of mouth and 1042 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:12,780 people relating their stories and 1043 00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,450 wonders clearly you know a larger 1044 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:18,480 percentage now one of the intriguing 1045 00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:21,770 things that demonstrates a link between 1046 00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:24,630 abductions and the Rh negative issue is 1047 00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:28,470 that many of the Rh negative certainly a 1048 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:30,870 higher percentage than average are born 1049 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:34,050 with an extra vertebra in their back now 1050 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:37,050 that can happen at random it's actually 1051 00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:40,050 not you know that uncommon and anomaly 1052 00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:41,940 and most people may not even know unless 1053 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:43,950 they have to have back surgery but the 1054 00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:47,130 percentage is higher in Rh negatives now 1055 00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:49,080 what's really interesting keeping that 1056 00:46:54,830 --> 00:46:51,540 in mind is if we go back to probably the 1057 00:46:58,100 --> 00:46:54,840 most famous alien abduction story of all 1058 00:47:00,830 --> 00:46:58,110 the Betty and Barney Hill case of 1961 1059 00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:00,840 well when the hills out there in County 1060 00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:02,070 you know obviously there was no real 1061 00:47:08,090 --> 00:47:04,440 talk at that time of alien abductions 1062 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:08,100 but they recall missing time being taken 1063 00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:10,290 on board some sort of craft started to 1064 00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,060 get nightmares and bad dreams and 1065 00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:14,760 realized that something weird had happen 1066 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:17,160 in that missing time so they decided to 1067 00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:20,130 go on undergo regressive hypnosis now 1068 00:47:24,850 --> 00:47:22,200 keep in mind this issue of extra 1069 00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:24,860 vertebra in the Rh negative as well 1070 00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,230 Barney Hill when he was under hypnosis 1071 00:47:32,570 --> 00:47:29,760 said that when he was on board this 1072 00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:32,580 craft the presumed aliens did something 1073 00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:33,960 very weird he said they were running 1074 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:36,960 their fingers down his spying slowly and 1075 00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:38,490 carefully he made him wonder if they 1076 00:47:41,810 --> 00:47:41,430 were counting his vertebra which you 1077 00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:41,820 know 1078 00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:43,670 bear in mind nobody was talking about 1079 00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:46,560 extra vertebra and aliens and Rh 1080 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:49,350 negative blood and abductions in 1961 1081 00:47:54,350 --> 00:47:52,050 and yet it was in the immediate 1082 00:47:57,260 --> 00:47:54,360 aftermath of 61 that Barney was talking 1083 00:48:00,500 --> 00:47:57,270 about all this so you know that's one of 1084 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:00,510 the the first things I've also got a 1085 00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:01,530 chapter in the book 1086 00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:04,380 about what are known as mail ups sort of 1087 00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:07,740 military abductions where abductees have 1088 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:10,830 who have been abducted by again presumed 1089 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:12,450 extraterrestrials of later being 1090 00:48:16,850 --> 00:48:14,850 abducted by what sounds almost like 1091 00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:16,860 rogue military agency like shadow 1092 00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:19,140 agencies and asked a lot of questions 1093 00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:21,420 about their blood what type of blood do 1094 00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:24,660 you have things like this suggesting 1095 00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:27,720 that somebody at an official level or as 1096 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:30,150 I said it like at a rogue level outside 1097 00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:31,410 of the government seems to know 1098 00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:32,940 something about this and they're 1099 00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:38,220 targeting abductees as well Wow yeah so 1100 00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:42,060 as far as people that are abducted I 1101 00:48:50,830 --> 00:48:45,240 know Denise stoner in Kathy Mardon the 1102 00:48:54,740 --> 00:48:50,840 niece of of Betty Hill have a 1103 00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:54,750 questionnaire for you know the 1104 00:49:00,680 --> 00:48:57,060 similarities between abduction cases and 1105 00:49:02,270 --> 00:49:00,690 I'm not sure if the the blood type is in 1106 00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,280 that but I'm going to see Kathy next 1107 00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:04,680 week I'm going to ask her about that and 1108 00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:06,750 ask her what her thoughts are on that 1109 00:49:14,060 --> 00:49:09,150 subject did you speak to anyone like her 1110 00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:14,070 that does any abduction research I mean 1111 00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:16,470 a classic example and right up to date 1112 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:18,660 she's Mike Cleland and if you know Mike 1113 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:23,850 but CL e ll a and D Mike Leyland he's 1114 00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:25,650 done a huge amount of research into 1115 00:49:30,260 --> 00:49:27,780 abductions and particularly from the 1116 00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:30,270 perspective of how a lot of abductees 1117 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:32,820 have said that they seem to have screen 1118 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:35,370 memories of seeing owls as to saying if 1119 00:49:39,350 --> 00:49:36,930 they know something weirds happened but 1120 00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:39,360 they can't consciously recall the 1121 00:49:42,830 --> 00:49:41,190 abduction experience but they have this 1122 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:42,840 sort of weird memory of seeing like a 1123 00:49:49,340 --> 00:49:45,930 large owls stood at the site - yeah and 1124 00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,350 mikus has hypothesized the idea that you 1125 00:49:53,780 --> 00:49:50,640 actually got a book coming out on it 1126 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:53,790 shortly I passed the size that these 1127 00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:55,530 could be screwed her screen memories 1128 00:50:01,610 --> 00:49:58,650 created by extraterrestrials to give 1129 00:50:03,860 --> 00:50:01,620 like a down-to-earth explanation to hide 1130 00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:03,870 what really happens now bear in mind 1131 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:06,420 mike has dug deeply into these phenomena 1132 00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:08,850 and had experienced a lot of weird 1133 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:10,680 synchronicities as well when he's been 1134 00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,050 doing this research and so not long ago 1135 00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:15,280 he decided to get his blood checked 1136 00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:18,190 and it turns out he's rh-negative as 1137 00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:21,460 well and so you know here's a guy who's 1138 00:50:25,740 --> 00:50:23,560 at the forefront of research into 1139 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:25,750 abductions looking into some really 1140 00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:29,650 interesting alternative issues like the 1141 00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,380 owl camouflage angle and he suddenly 1142 00:50:39,090 --> 00:50:35,920 finds out he's rh-negative other 1143 00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:39,100 examples one of the chapters I have in 1144 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:40,750 the book he's on a controversial issue 1145 00:50:46,530 --> 00:50:43,570 known as inherited memory you know it's 1146 00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:46,540 like if you you know your child or you 1147 00:50:50,070 --> 00:50:48,280 know and you pay look your parents you 1148 00:50:53,310 --> 00:50:50,080 can see traits from your father and your 1149 00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:53,320 mother you know and you save your 1150 00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:54,760 brothers and sisters and things like 1151 00:51:00,690 --> 00:50:57,370 that well there's another theory that to 1152 00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:00,700 a degree and encoded deep in our DNA in 1153 00:51:07,770 --> 00:51:03,670 our subconscious the fragments of actual 1154 00:51:09,450 --> 00:51:07,780 memories can be passed down as well now 1155 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:09,460 that's not being proved of course but 1156 00:51:13,110 --> 00:51:11,410 what's interesting as I point out in 1157 00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,120 this particular chapter in the book I 1158 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:15,280 mentioned about how certain people who 1159 00:51:21,450 --> 00:51:18,970 are h- feel driven to the UFO subject 1160 00:51:25,050 --> 00:51:21,460 but they don't know why again it is like 1161 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:25,060 something's encoded in their mind and I 1162 00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:26,890 don't think for that reason that it's 1163 00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:29,320 coincidence that several of the major 1164 00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:32,430 figures within ancient astronaut 1165 00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,840 research are Rh negative 1166 00:51:40,350 --> 00:51:36,880 for example erich von daniken his Rh 1167 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:40,360 negative you know he's sort of you know 1168 00:51:45,630 --> 00:51:42,250 the leading or the most well-known 1169 00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,640 ancient astronaut offer granted there 1170 00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:47,440 were authors before him like Raymond 1171 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:50,080 Drake and Morris Jessup who wrote about 1172 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:52,570 ancient aliens but certainly Chariots of 1173 00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,290 the Gods written by von Daniken in 68 1174 00:52:00,510 --> 00:51:57,760 was the one that really brought it to 1175 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:00,520 you know the world so he's rh-negative 1176 00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:02,290 Brad Steiger who's written extensively 1177 00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:07,630 on ancient mysteries you know Atlantis 1178 00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:09,670 pyramids ancient astronauts he's 1179 00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:13,630 rh-negative Robert Anton Wilson who's 1180 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:16,270 now deceased but in the 70s he believed 1181 00:52:21,390 --> 00:52:18,490 he was having sort of contact a 1182 00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:21,400 channelling conversations with 1183 00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:23,710 extraterrestrials some of which were 1184 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:26,140 based around ancient mysteries connected 1185 00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:27,730 with the Egyptians 1186 00:52:32,370 --> 00:52:29,710 that's just three examples of a number 1187 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:32,380 where people at the forefront of looking 1188 00:52:37,410 --> 00:52:34,450 into ancient mysteries just happened to 1189 00:52:39,569 --> 00:52:37,420 be Rh negative well and being such a 1190 00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:39,579 small percentage that does mean 1191 00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:42,960 something is it just the absence of the 1192 00:52:51,690 --> 00:52:46,240 particular antigen that makes Rh 1193 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:51,700 negative yeah pretty much yes it's not 1194 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:53,890 so much you know what they lack that 1195 00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,530 defines them as Rh negative that that is 1196 00:53:01,560 --> 00:52:58,240 that is the reason you know that there 1197 00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:01,570 call Rh negative but it's the sort of 1198 00:53:08,490 --> 00:53:03,910 profound differences that just that one 1199 00:53:12,089 --> 00:53:08,500 issue seems to provoke and then a high 1200 00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:12,099 resistance to viruses there are other 1201 00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:14,950 weird issues as well like less tolerance 1202 00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:19,510 to sunlight direct sunlight for some 1203 00:53:26,430 --> 00:53:23,680 reason I've spelled to a lot of Rh 1204 00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,440 negative people some of whom have no 1205 00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:28,800 involvement in the UFO subject and 1206 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:31,839 exposure to sunlight a lot of Quebec 1207 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:33,730 rashes and hives on the shoulders and 1208 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:36,250 neck particularly more than anywhere 1209 00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:39,970 else and as I said there's this issue of 1210 00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:41,740 slightly lower than normal blood 1211 00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,000 pressure many of them feel driven 1212 00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:48,640 towards sort of spiritual issues not 1213 00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:50,740 sort of necessarily organized religion 1214 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:53,710 but just the idea of you know focus on 1215 00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,170 something bigger out there and as I said 1216 00:54:01,500 --> 00:53:58,720 the main thing is the UFO issue and the 1217 00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:01,510 spill over there with abductions as well 1218 00:54:06,059 --> 00:54:03,609 so in other words to get back to your 1219 00:54:08,579 --> 00:54:06,069 point yes it's the it's the whole issue 1220 00:54:11,609 --> 00:54:08,589 of the lack of this protein that defines 1221 00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:11,619 them but the weird thing is why then 1222 00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:13,329 that should cause all these other 1223 00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:16,300 spin-offs to occur as well right right 1224 00:54:19,980 --> 00:54:18,550 when you were doing your research if you 1225 00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:19,990 haven't already talked about it was 1226 00:54:25,319 --> 00:54:23,260 there one thing in particular that 1227 00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:25,329 really stood out is of really 1228 00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:28,990 fascinating to you well I think the one 1229 00:54:35,819 --> 00:54:31,569 thing for me and this sort of lends 1230 00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:35,829 itself to further research is how you 1231 00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:38,319 know the abduction phenomenon which I 1232 00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:39,819 think he's connected all this because 1233 00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:41,260 connected to August because you don't 1234 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:41,630 have 1235 00:54:46,059 --> 00:54:44,690 genetics angle is the way which the 1236 00:54:48,970 --> 00:54:46,069 abduction phenomenon has sort of 1237 00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:48,980 developed hang on just a minute sorry 1238 00:54:55,089 --> 00:54:52,460 sorry Nick Tom we have a caller who just 1239 00:54:59,470 --> 00:54:55,099 called in caller please say your name 1240 00:55:01,509 --> 00:54:59,480 and welcome to the show thanks - thank 1241 00:55:04,059 --> 00:55:01,519 you I had to work late nights 1242 00:55:05,319 --> 00:55:04,069 oh well I'll tell you what we were 1243 00:55:07,509 --> 00:55:05,329 talking I was talking about you earlier 1244 00:55:09,819 --> 00:55:07,519 because I thought you'd have a bunch of 1245 00:55:13,499 --> 00:55:09,829 questions for Nick and you're on with 1246 00:55:16,450 --> 00:55:13,509 Nick now so go ahead and ask ask away 1247 00:55:18,490 --> 00:55:16,460 sure I want to make a general comment so 1248 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:18,500 I posted in the chat room a few weeks 1249 00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:20,930 back for those of you who are interested 1250 00:55:25,210 --> 00:55:22,670 in knowing your blood side I was 1251 00:55:27,249 --> 00:55:25,220 surprised when I asked my doctor who 1252 00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:27,259 does blood work on me all the time who 1253 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:28,910 declined to tell me what my blood type 1254 00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:31,250 is saving they didn't know and saying 1255 00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:33,380 insurance wouldn't pay for it and it 1256 00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:35,150 would cost me a hundred dollars to find 1257 00:55:40,299 --> 00:55:38,720 that but the alternate way is donate 1258 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:40,309 your blood and they have to tell you 1259 00:55:49,809 --> 00:55:47,930 this o-negative well actually no that's 1260 00:55:51,339 --> 00:55:49,819 that's interesting that you you know 1261 00:55:53,259 --> 00:55:51,349 you're interested in all this subject in 1262 00:55:54,970 --> 00:55:53,269 your own negative Oh negative as I'm 1263 00:55:59,529 --> 00:55:54,980 sure you know is known as the universal 1264 00:56:01,569 --> 00:55:59,539 donor because you know if you're a group 1265 00:56:04,779 --> 00:56:01,579 will be group or a B you have to have 1266 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:04,789 that sort of blood injected into you you 1267 00:56:10,809 --> 00:56:07,609 know to be okay however anybody can be 1268 00:56:12,819 --> 00:56:10,819 injected with oh no negative because as 1269 00:56:16,569 --> 00:56:12,829 I said it's called the universal donor 1270 00:56:19,749 --> 00:56:16,579 and so in that sense you know you've got 1271 00:56:25,509 --> 00:56:19,759 a really unique type of blood coupled 1272 00:56:28,930 --> 00:56:25,519 with an interest in UFO phenomenon and 1273 00:56:33,569 --> 00:56:28,940 you study the research where they claim 1274 00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,650 now actually haven't know okay and then 1275 00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:40,880 I just have a couple of a commonalities 1276 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:43,250 I found from from my research a nice 1277 00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:46,250 negative I have low body temperature my 1278 00:56:53,890 --> 00:56:51,230 core temperatures typically 96 22 97.3 1279 00:56:55,330 --> 00:56:53,900 I'm very sensitive to heat I sweat 1280 00:56:58,300 --> 00:56:55,340 profusely from my head 1281 00:57:01,210 --> 00:56:58,310 and another thing is I get startled very 1282 00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,220 easily people like walk around the 1283 00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:03,920 corner I'll just get really really taken 1284 00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:09,680 back I'm using the startled I guess well 1285 00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:10,910 yeah I mean that's interesting I've done 1286 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:12,470 if you heard the show early but I was 1287 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:15,170 actually talking about the lack of sense 1288 00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:15,770 of touch 1289 00:57:21,940 --> 00:57:17,990 all the sensitivities excuse me to 1290 00:57:23,890 --> 00:57:21,950 sunlight and and also lower blood 1291 00:57:25,540 --> 00:57:23,900 pressure and that actually ties in as 1292 00:57:27,790 --> 00:57:25,550 well with like low body temperature and 1293 00:57:29,590 --> 00:57:27,800 a lower than normal pulse rate which 1294 00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:29,600 actually is nothing to sort of worry 1295 00:57:32,620 --> 00:57:31,310 about it so you know it's a good sign 1296 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:32,630 for the most part providing you don't 1297 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:34,970 have any you know underlying conditions 1298 00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:37,730 but yeah I mean it's interesting you 1299 00:57:42,270 --> 00:57:39,640 called in and you you actually 1300 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:42,280 demonstrated you've got some of those 1301 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:46,370 characteristics so Matt Matthew we met 1302 00:57:51,460 --> 00:57:48,610 actually out in Phoenix originally but 1303 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:51,470 you've been posting something in the 1304 00:57:59,470 --> 00:57:56,690 chat room about Rh negative blood almost 1305 00:58:02,590 --> 00:57:59,480 any time the abduction comes up or 1306 00:58:04,810 --> 00:58:02,600 anything like that so how what got you 1307 00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:04,820 interested in that and and and you must 1308 00:58:10,330 --> 00:58:07,790 have done some research on that well 1309 00:58:13,660 --> 00:58:10,340 it's part of you were talking 1310 00:58:16,420 --> 00:58:13,670 momentarily about a Cathleen Martin on 1311 00:58:22,180 --> 00:58:16,430 her commonality list it's listed there 1312 00:58:25,330 --> 00:58:22,190 and it just comes up again and again so 1313 00:58:28,330 --> 00:58:25,340 it's just synchronicity with me and and 1314 00:58:32,110 --> 00:58:28,340 it and and I was trying to discover why 1315 00:58:34,810 --> 00:58:32,120 I I slept so much and I did a lot of 1316 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:34,820 research and and that's what led me to 1317 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:39,170 look into myself uh-huh yeah well okay 1318 00:58:42,130 --> 00:58:40,730 well thank you very much you know we're 1319 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:42,140 getting right up to the top of the hour 1320 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:45,050 so thanks for calling in Matthew and 1321 00:58:56,830 --> 00:58:50,890 we'll see you back in the chatroom bye 1322 00:58:58,570 --> 00:58:56,840 so we're still on our - Mick yeah yeah 1323 00:59:01,810 --> 00:58:58,580 okay because I've had some trouble 1324 00:59:03,970 --> 00:59:01,820 before with this this phone system it's 1325 00:59:06,070 --> 00:59:03,980 all through Skype but anyway we're right 1326 00:59:08,350 --> 00:59:06,080 at the top of the hour so next hour 1327 00:59:09,009 --> 00:59:08,360 we're going to talk about men in black 1328 00:59:15,189 --> 00:59:09,019 and 1329 00:59:17,019 --> 00:59:15,199 you hang on just one moment we'll be 1330 00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:17,029 right back right after this quick music 1331 00:59:21,399 --> 00:59:18,559 break remember you can jump into the 1332 00:59:51,340 --> 00:59:21,409 chat room at podcast UFO comm and hang 1333 00:59:51,350 --> 01:00:00,480 you 1334 01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:03,640 so music is provided by a couple of fans 1335 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:05,119 of the show Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse and 1336 01:00:12,310 --> 01:00:09,170 that was by Bruce Rainier and welcome 1337 01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,320 back here we go let's just jump right in 1338 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:14,480 and talk about the men in black because 1339 01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:17,330 that's that's unless there's some more 1340 01:00:26,410 --> 01:00:23,800 okay 1341 01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,420 so I've always been fascinated no I 1342 01:00:32,349 --> 01:00:28,160 didn't I didn't get a chance to read 1343 01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:32,359 your book on the men in black but what 1344 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:37,310 is the connection there why and who have 1345 01:00:44,170 --> 01:00:38,930 you have you come up with an idea of who 1346 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:44,180 these people are because I think strange 1347 01:00:48,670 --> 01:00:46,130 as it sounds it could be several cats a 1348 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:48,680 good man in black funnily enough think 1349 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:49,730 you should bring it up because I 1350 01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:51,410 actually have a new book coming out on 1351 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:52,640 the men in black this'll be the third 1352 01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,490 one I've done in about three weeks time 1353 01:01:03,400 --> 01:00:57,440 and funnily enough it's called the man 1354 01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:03,410 in black this basically this is probably 1355 01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:05,089 my but it comes to UFOs there's probably 1356 01:01:09,460 --> 01:01:07,940 my favorite subject to investigate it's 1357 01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:09,470 what I'm particularly interested in 1358 01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:11,630 because there are so many different 1359 01:01:17,050 --> 01:01:15,470 angles to it now I guess for most the 1360 01:01:17,410 --> 01:01:17,060 general public when I think of the men 1361 01:01:19,210 --> 01:01:17,420 in black 1362 01:01:22,660 --> 01:01:19,220 I think of Tommy Lee Jones and Will 1363 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:22,670 Smith yeah that's how it's become sort 1364 01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:25,490 of like a such an iconic thing a lot of 1365 01:01:32,170 --> 01:01:28,670 people I know to speaking to outside the 1366 01:01:34,359 --> 01:01:32,180 UFO field they I actually think the mist 1367 01:01:36,190 --> 01:01:34,369 will the story the men in black actually 1368 01:01:38,410 --> 01:01:36,200 didn't exist before the movies they 1369 01:01:40,930 --> 01:01:38,420 don't realize that the term man in black 1370 01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:40,940 goes back to the 50s and the reports go 1371 01:01:47,859 --> 01:01:45,710 back to the forties and even earlier so 1372 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:47,869 in other words you know that it's a 1373 01:01:54,670 --> 01:01:51,530 long-standing issue but what the movies 1374 01:01:57,310 --> 01:01:54,680 did was to portray the man in black as 1375 01:01:59,650 --> 01:01:57,320 sort of agents of some sort of shadow 1376 01:02:01,540 --> 01:01:59,660 government that operated outside the 1377 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:01,550 regular governments and most people 1378 01:02:05,470 --> 01:02:03,050 didn't know about it you know you're 1379 01:02:07,870 --> 01:02:05,480 recruited into it and for want of a 1380 01:02:11,290 --> 01:02:07,880 better term they were secret agents the 1381 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:11,300 reality is that I would say a good 1382 01:02:16,690 --> 01:02:14,210 I would say close to 100% of the reports 1383 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:16,700 do not fall into that category most 1384 01:02:22,420 --> 01:02:18,770 people who see the Manning black report 1385 01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:22,430 them has been sort of 5 foot 2 5 or 5 1386 01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:25,250 tall very pale almost like to the color 1387 01:02:31,450 --> 01:02:27,710 of milk you know looking deathly sick 1388 01:02:35,170 --> 01:02:31,460 white they wear these old-style fedora 1389 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:35,180 hats the clothes kind of hang on them 1390 01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:37,370 and they wear often where these large 1391 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:39,830 wraparound black sunglasses when and 1392 01:02:44,770 --> 01:02:42,410 when people got close to them they seem 1393 01:02:47,770 --> 01:02:44,780 to have these bulging eyes like however 1394 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:47,780 staring eyes and they don't seem to 1395 01:02:52,750 --> 01:02:49,850 converse of with our ways and mannerisms 1396 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:52,760 they don't really know how to operate in 1397 01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:55,370 our environment suggesting that there's 1398 01:03:00,520 --> 01:02:58,160 some sort of alien thing themselves 1399 01:03:02,590 --> 01:03:00,530 which you know isn't impossibility but 1400 01:03:05,740 --> 01:03:02,600 that's given rise to the idea could they 1401 01:03:09,220 --> 01:03:05,750 actually be some sort of hybrid you know 1402 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:09,230 between us and them the idea that you 1403 01:03:12,970 --> 01:03:10,850 know that I wear these fedoras and black 1404 01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:12,980 sunglasses and largely only come out at 1405 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:15,200 night so essentially camouflage 1406 01:03:20,890 --> 01:03:18,530 themselves which if that hypothesis is 1407 01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:20,900 genuine it would actually make a lot of 1408 01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:23,570 sense the idea of you know these 1409 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:25,190 clippings coming out at night and they 1410 01:03:29,620 --> 01:03:27,410 look like us if you look but if you look 1411 01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:29,630 a little bit too close you would see 1412 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:32,480 some weird abnormalities but you know 1413 01:03:36,310 --> 01:03:33,890 most people got their heads in their 1414 01:03:39,340 --> 01:03:36,320 iPhones and they're walking around and 1415 01:03:41,110 --> 01:03:39,350 if they're coming out at night you know 1416 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:41,120 they could get away with it now 1417 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:43,970 the what's weird is I have actually a 1418 01:03:48,850 --> 01:03:47,210 few cases on record where men in black 1419 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:48,860 of turn over people's homes and there's 1420 01:03:52,930 --> 01:03:51,290 been no UFO connection or you know the 1421 01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:52,940 witnesses haven't seen a UFO have been 1422 01:03:59,350 --> 01:03:55,280 abducted but they've been dabbling in 1423 01:04:01,480 --> 01:03:59,360 Ouija boards and the occult and they've 1424 01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:01,490 experienced like violent poltergeist 1425 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:04,160 activity in the home and like an 1426 01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:06,650 overpowering smell of sulfur or 1427 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:09,470 brimstone which is like a classic old 1428 01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:12,290 are associated with paranormal and cult 1429 01:04:18,820 --> 01:04:16,400 activity and so in other words what 1430 01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:18,830 sounds like you know for most people 1431 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:21,230 initially like secret agents out of some 1432 01:04:25,060 --> 01:04:23,930 sort of episode of the x-files actually 1433 01:04:28,570 --> 01:04:25,070 becomes a phenomenon 1434 01:04:31,060 --> 01:04:28,580 which is tied to all different aspects 1435 01:04:35,490 --> 01:04:31,070 of the paranormal and as a great deal of 1436 01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,500 cult overtones attached chewing now 1437 01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:37,760 somebody has a question up on the 1438 01:04:43,420 --> 01:04:40,550 message board and I'll pass that in just 1439 01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:43,430 a second but I want to ask kind of an 1440 01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:46,310 obscure question about this is there any 1441 01:04:52,090 --> 01:04:48,710 connection you also hear about black 1442 01:04:56,260 --> 01:04:52,100 helicopters desert has there ever been 1443 01:04:58,450 --> 01:04:56,270 any connection with that yeah I mean 1444 01:05:00,190 --> 01:04:58,460 there are some cases where people have 1445 01:05:02,590 --> 01:05:00,200 had visits from the man in black 1446 01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:02,600 and then afterwards they've had sort of 1447 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:04,160 black helicopters hovering over their 1448 01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:07,450 homes they've had telephone interference 1449 01:05:13,180 --> 01:05:10,910 mail delayed and opened and resealed 1450 01:05:15,370 --> 01:05:13,190 but resealed in a way that clearly you 1451 01:05:17,470 --> 01:05:15,380 know they want the person to know or 1452 01:05:19,180 --> 01:05:17,480 somebody wants the person to know that 1453 01:05:21,790 --> 01:05:19,190 the mail was open you know what I mean 1454 01:05:23,650 --> 01:05:21,800 it's like a form of intimidation but 1455 01:05:26,140 --> 01:05:23,660 yeah I mean III know the number of cases 1456 01:05:28,260 --> 01:05:26,150 where people were visited by men in 1457 01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:28,270 black and then had the black helicopters 1458 01:05:35,830 --> 01:05:32,960 but bizarrely I've got a small number of 1459 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:35,840 black helicopter cases where the people 1460 01:05:40,450 --> 01:05:38,570 said they saw the black helicopter and 1461 01:05:43,450 --> 01:05:40,460 any kind of shimmered and changed into a 1462 01:05:45,790 --> 01:05:43,460 UFO is if the black helicopter image was 1463 01:05:48,220 --> 01:05:45,800 almost like a stealthy form of 1464 01:05:52,330 --> 01:05:48,230 camouflage or sort of holographic image 1465 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:52,340 projected around a real UFO so that gets 1466 01:05:57,540 --> 01:05:54,050 you know that pushes you down into even 1467 01:06:00,220 --> 01:05:57,550 stranger paths then Wow well we have a 1468 01:06:03,730 --> 01:06:00,230 listener who's on now in the chat room 1469 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:03,740 he's also from England and he's saying 1470 01:06:08,890 --> 01:06:06,410 what are the men in black driving these 1471 01:06:11,230 --> 01:06:08,900 days it always used to be black 1472 01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:11,240 Cadillacs in the US and black jaguars in 1473 01:06:17,770 --> 01:06:14,960 the UK that's true well as weirdly as it 1474 01:06:20,110 --> 01:06:17,780 sounds I still get reports today of 1475 01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,120 people seeing the man in black like the 1476 01:06:23,770 --> 01:06:22,640 old nineteen fifties cars you know that 1477 01:06:25,930 --> 01:06:23,780 you would like caddy well I think you 1478 01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:25,940 had seen some you know some 1950s 1479 01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:27,710 gangster movie like some black-and-white 1480 01:06:32,050 --> 01:06:30,050 gangster movie they still drive those 1481 01:06:35,470 --> 01:06:32,060 and what's weird if you would imagine 1482 01:06:38,410 --> 01:06:35,480 that the man in black would would do in 1483 01:06:41,230 --> 01:06:38,420 their utmost to not be noticed the 1484 01:06:42,670 --> 01:06:41,240 everything about them does draw people's 1485 01:06:44,380 --> 01:06:42,680 attention to them you know the clothes 1486 01:06:47,980 --> 01:06:44,390 the old-style clothes and the fedora 1487 01:06:50,349 --> 01:06:47,990 hats the old cars now so that may be 1488 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:50,359 done for effect to you know create 1489 01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:52,970 intimidation and fear and that it 1490 01:06:57,789 --> 01:06:54,440 probably works on a lot of people I 1491 01:07:00,460 --> 01:06:57,799 would think but again you know we have 1492 01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:00,470 no real answers to why that should be 1493 01:07:05,530 --> 01:07:02,809 the case and I mean again this takes 1494 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:05,540 things down really strange paths I've 1495 01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:09,049 got at least 20 Oh at least 20 reports I 1496 01:07:13,450 --> 01:07:11,510 know of people who said they saw the man 1497 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:13,460 in black turn up in this old black car 1498 01:07:18,609 --> 01:07:16,130 and the car vanished like it faded away 1499 01:07:21,940 --> 01:07:18,619 so again like barely copies shimmered 1500 01:07:23,740 --> 01:07:21,950 and vanished as if as if almost the men 1501 01:07:25,870 --> 01:07:23,750 in black were trying to project imagery 1502 01:07:28,420 --> 01:07:25,880 into the person's mind of a more 1503 01:07:30,730 --> 01:07:28,430 down-to-earth nature when actually 1504 01:07:32,530 --> 01:07:30,740 something else is going on you know the 1505 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:32,540 best analogy I can think of is sort of 1506 01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:35,690 like in the Matrix movies you know where 1507 01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:38,089 we find out that Keanu Reeves character 1508 01:07:42,670 --> 01:07:40,609 and everybody else we're all sleeping in 1509 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:42,680 these tanks and you know we're providing 1510 01:07:47,380 --> 01:07:44,690 food for the machines and the real world 1511 01:07:48,910 --> 01:07:47,390 around us actually isn't the real world 1512 01:07:51,579 --> 01:07:48,920 around us it's a sort of a projection 1513 01:07:53,140 --> 01:07:51,589 into our minds and that's what some of 1514 01:07:56,260 --> 01:07:53,150 the stories people tell about the man in 1515 01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:56,270 black it's almost as if yes they get the 1516 01:08:00,849 --> 01:07:58,130 visit from the man in black but the 1517 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:00,859 other aspects of it have sort of created 1518 01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:03,290 and instilled in the person's mind to 1519 01:08:09,010 --> 01:08:06,200 provoke certain imagery like the cars 1520 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:09,020 and the helicopters when the actual 1521 01:08:15,209 --> 01:08:11,770 facts the person may be like a semi 1522 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:15,219 translight States not realizing it now 1523 01:08:22,749 --> 01:08:18,130 Howard Hughes which is he's a great 1524 01:08:25,959 --> 01:08:22,759 paranormal radio host in England the the 1525 01:08:28,570 --> 01:08:25,969 listeners posing that he claims that he 1526 01:08:30,700 --> 01:08:28,580 had an account encounter directly with 1527 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:30,710 men and black himself 1528 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:33,650 are you aware I know you're connected 1529 01:08:37,599 --> 01:08:35,690 with a lot of people in the UFO field 1530 01:08:41,289 --> 01:08:37,609 you're friends with a lot of other 1531 01:08:43,689 --> 01:08:41,299 people do you have any connections worth 1532 01:08:49,809 --> 01:08:43,699 summoned that directly had a men in 1533 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:49,819 black experience I know I would say 40 1534 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:51,770 or 50 people I mean the 1535 01:09:00,250 --> 01:08:54,730 that comes out in a couple of weeks that 1536 01:09:03,309 --> 01:09:00,260 contains about 30 or 40 chapters about 1537 01:09:04,690 --> 01:09:03,319 25 of those are from witnesses in their 1538 01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:04,700 own words which have never been 1539 01:09:09,849 --> 01:09:06,440 published before and you know 1540 01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:09,859 everybody's named and so that's you know 1541 01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:12,049 that's 25 people who had personal 1542 01:09:17,170 --> 01:09:14,330 experiences in my previous book the real 1543 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:17,180 man in black I probably included 40 or 1544 01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:19,850 50 in there and I probably have some 1545 01:09:26,559 --> 01:09:23,150 when the region of 15 or 20 cases from 1546 01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:26,569 people who told their stories but didn't 1547 01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:28,400 ever want them publish him you know they 1548 01:09:32,110 --> 01:09:29,750 want to sort of stay in the background 1549 01:09:32,980 --> 01:09:32,120 not not have any publicity or even other 1550 01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:32,990 story told 1551 01:09:37,870 --> 01:09:35,690 but generally you contacted me because 1552 01:09:40,900 --> 01:09:37,880 they were looking for some sort of input 1553 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:40,910 or help as to what happened to them you 1554 01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:42,650 know they're like well can you explain 1555 01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:44,270 what happened but please don't do 1556 01:09:48,340 --> 01:09:45,680 anything with it you know really people 1557 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:48,350 asked me Oh tell me not to publish 1558 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:49,130 something I don't 1559 01:09:53,559 --> 01:09:50,930 but yeah I've got quite a few sort of 1560 01:09:55,870 --> 01:09:53,569 silent cases in the background and then 1561 01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:55,880 you find other researchers Tim Beckley 1562 01:10:01,300 --> 01:09:58,130 Tim has been collecting reports for 1563 01:10:03,730 --> 01:10:01,310 years so me Brad Steiger these reports 1564 01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:03,740 are sort of so prevalent but what's 1565 01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:06,530 weird is that no one ever catches the 1566 01:10:12,850 --> 01:10:09,710 man in black again it is almost like as 1567 01:10:14,890 --> 01:10:12,860 I said the experience occurs in a sort 1568 01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:14,900 of a dream state and some researchers do 1569 01:10:20,050 --> 01:10:17,990 wonder if the man in black so strange as 1570 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:20,060 it sounds if they ever really do turn up 1571 01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,090 at people's doors or if the whole thing 1572 01:10:27,790 --> 01:10:25,280 is some sort of highly advanced 1573 01:10:30,370 --> 01:10:27,800 projection from the you know they're 1574 01:10:32,710 --> 01:10:30,380 almost like something inserted into you 1575 01:10:34,690 --> 01:10:32,720 know a program you download a program on 1576 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:34,700 your laptop or whatever and you run the 1577 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:37,010 program some people think it's along 1578 01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,530 those lines that the men in black are 1579 01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,840 basically a program that is dispatched 1580 01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:43,600 and they're not sort of living 1581 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:46,460 self-aware creatures there they're like 1582 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:49,370 a 3d hologram created by some vast 1583 01:10:53,710 --> 01:10:51,530 program that can be inserted into our 1584 01:10:55,780 --> 01:10:53,720 reality you know and that sort of then 1585 01:10:59,260 --> 01:10:55,790 begs the question well what is reality 1586 01:11:02,080 --> 01:10:59,270 are we seen as it really is or is it 1587 01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:02,090 just our version of reality wow that's 1588 01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,230 really mind-blowing stuff now 1589 01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,000 I think I don't know about you but if 1590 01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:07,920 the men in black showed up at my door I 1591 01:11:11,420 --> 01:11:09,510 would feel like I'd have to start 1592 01:11:13,250 --> 01:11:11,430 laughing I don't I don't know I feel 1593 01:11:15,740 --> 01:11:13,260 like you've got to be kidding me type of 1594 01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:15,750 thing interesting you bring that up 1595 01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:17,340 because one of the questions people 1596 01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:19,620 often say to me what's the man in black 1597 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:21,060 showed up at the door and you look 1598 01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:23,370 through your smile and you see three 1599 01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:25,500 creepy little guys with white skin and 1600 01:11:29,420 --> 01:11:26,940 five feet tall and weighing about a 1601 01:11:32,150 --> 01:11:29,430 hundred and twenty pound at midnight you 1602 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:32,160 sure as hell are gonna let them in but 1603 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:34,770 people do so in other words what happens 1604 01:11:39,140 --> 01:11:37,770 you know people like us now you can talk 1605 01:11:41,330 --> 01:11:39,150 about this so we can have a laugh at a 1606 01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:41,340 joke even about what would you do if 1607 01:11:45,979 --> 01:11:43,200 they turn up on the doorstep but when it 1608 01:11:48,710 --> 01:11:45,989 actually happens it's as if the man in 1609 01:11:51,620 --> 01:11:48,720 black are able to take away the person's 1610 01:11:54,250 --> 01:11:51,630 common sense factors I imagine sometimes 1611 01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:54,260 when you're in Bay you have a dream and 1612 01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,370 when you have in the dream it's normal 1613 01:11:59,870 --> 01:11:58,320 when you wake up you think well that was 1614 01:12:01,700 --> 01:11:59,880 a really weird dream but he didn't seem 1615 01:12:03,260 --> 01:12:01,710 weird when you were dreaming it you know 1616 01:12:05,690 --> 01:12:03,270 and then it's kinda like with the man in 1617 01:12:07,330 --> 01:12:05,700 black people are placed into this state 1618 01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:07,340 where they don't see anything strange 1619 01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:10,110 about opening the door at midnight and 1620 01:12:14,420 --> 01:12:12,060 then these three creepy little guys 1621 01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:14,430 fiery and very often you know we lean a 1622 01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:16,020 line after the other and they sort of 1623 01:12:20,420 --> 01:12:18,510 shuffle along like conveyor belt style 1624 01:12:22,340 --> 01:12:20,430 or something and they come in they sit 1625 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:22,350 down and they start threatening the 1626 01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:25,290 person and asking them questions and the 1627 01:12:29,210 --> 01:12:26,760 person sits there and answers the 1628 01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:29,220 questions then when the men in black are 1629 01:12:33,670 --> 01:12:31,560 finished they leave and then it's like 1630 01:12:37,220 --> 01:12:33,680 the person starts to come round from 1631 01:12:39,140 --> 01:12:37,230 anesthetic and you know they start to 1632 01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:39,150 get their faculties back to normal and 1633 01:12:44,540 --> 01:12:42,360 then they realize the life of sheer 1634 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:44,550 danger what they did they let in three 1635 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:46,970 strangers at midnight it'll grill them 1636 01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:49,290 and there's another aspect to all this 1637 01:12:53,540 --> 01:12:52,230 as well that when the interrogations 1638 01:12:55,460 --> 01:12:53,550 which is the only way you can really 1639 01:12:58,250 --> 01:12:55,470 describe them when the interrogations 1640 01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:58,260 are going on a number of the witnesses 1641 01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:00,960 have said that the one one of the men in 1642 01:13:05,570 --> 01:13:02,760 black they usually come in threes one of 1643 01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:05,580 the men in black asks the questions and 1644 01:13:09,710 --> 01:13:07,739 the other to sort out their eyes I just 1645 01:13:12,380 --> 01:13:09,720 constantly never blink you know just 1646 01:13:14,150 --> 01:13:12,390 boring into the eyes and the face of the 1647 01:13:15,229 --> 01:13:14,160 witness you know they're just sitting 1648 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:15,239 there staring at them and all the 1649 01:13:19,820 --> 01:13:17,610 witnesses have said on many occasions 1650 01:13:22,910 --> 01:13:19,830 as these many black have been staring at 1651 01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:22,920 them they started to feel weak and one 1652 01:13:27,140 --> 01:13:25,409 of them described it as like a diabetic 1653 01:13:28,490 --> 01:13:27,150 would probably fail if they started 1654 01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:28,500 crashing you know if they'd missed a 1655 01:13:32,450 --> 01:13:30,540 couple of meals and then they'd go into 1656 01:13:34,189 --> 01:13:32,460 sort of emergency mode and the body 1657 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:34,199 started shut down they get the shakes 1658 01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:36,330 and everything that's what a lot of 1659 01:13:40,129 --> 01:13:37,980 witnesses to the man in black have said 1660 01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:40,139 and they actually felt that the men in 1661 01:13:45,109 --> 01:13:43,020 black were like almost like psychic 1662 01:13:48,859 --> 01:13:45,119 vampires you know not like in the movies 1663 01:13:51,820 --> 01:13:48,869 and folklore of training us of blood but 1664 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:51,830 possibly sort of like psychic para 1665 01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:55,770 parasitic creatures that thrive on human 1666 01:14:01,070 --> 01:13:58,080 energy they bleed us dry of energy and 1667 01:14:02,930 --> 01:14:01,080 what's interesting about that he said 1668 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:02,940 when the man in black comes to the door 1669 01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:04,650 you know they don't try and force their 1670 01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:06,540 way and they wait to be invited if they 1671 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:09,360 have to be invited and that ties in very 1672 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:12,330 much with again the old vampire lore the 1673 01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:14,489 vampire has to be invited the first time 1674 01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:16,830 it comes in Geo so I do wonder if some 1675 01:14:21,770 --> 01:14:19,110 of these old vampire legends could 1676 01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:21,780 actually be early visits by man in black 1677 01:14:25,939 --> 01:14:24,330 that became changed into something else 1678 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:25,949 you know there's not much difference 1679 01:14:29,209 --> 01:14:27,570 between in the eighteen hundreds 1680 01:14:32,030 --> 01:14:29,219 somebody claimed to being visited by a 1681 01:14:33,530 --> 01:14:32,040 black cloak white faced vampire they're 1682 01:14:36,530 --> 01:14:33,540 demanding to be let in or asked to be 1683 01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:36,540 let in and a black suit eat tale faced 1684 01:14:39,979 --> 01:14:38,369 man in black today there's actually not 1685 01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:39,989 much difference really when you look at 1686 01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:42,960 the stories hmm how about that a 1687 01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:45,330 question up on the message board have 1688 01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:48,630 you ever heard of the Hat men and if so 1689 01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:50,880 do you think they're related to men and 1690 01:14:56,060 --> 01:14:53,760 black question actually do believe 1691 01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,070 they're related erm a good friend of 1692 01:15:02,660 --> 01:14:58,320 mine Heidi Hollis wrote a book about 1693 01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:02,670 that man called the Hat man and a lot of 1694 01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:04,710 people are said think you know the men 1695 01:15:09,140 --> 01:15:06,600 in black are like government agents but 1696 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:09,150 they're clearly not now in saw these 1697 01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:12,210 cases of the men in black even at these 1698 01:15:16,459 --> 01:15:14,760 fedoras are in the suits they don't look 1699 01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:16,469 like fully formed they're almost sort of 1700 01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:19,800 shadowy and semi spectral as strange as 1701 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:24,150 it sounds and this ties in with what's 1702 01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,770 our phenomenon has become quite popular 1703 01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:27,840 and prevalent in the last few years of 1704 01:15:32,710 --> 01:15:30,230 what called shadow people 1705 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:32,720 but you typically turn up in people's 1706 01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,370 bedrooms and they're sleeping and they 1707 01:15:39,850 --> 01:15:36,320 wake up they find themselves unable to 1708 01:15:41,950 --> 01:15:39,860 move properly or at all and they see 1709 01:15:44,530 --> 01:15:41,960 these shadowy figures in the room now 1710 01:15:47,890 --> 01:15:44,540 some of these shadow people as oddly as 1711 01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:47,900 it sound have these black fedoras on 1712 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:50,870 like the men in black do and so this has 1713 01:15:55,930 --> 01:15:53,930 led to the sous-vide creation or the 1714 01:15:59,410 --> 01:15:55,940 identification of a subcategory of the 1715 01:16:01,870 --> 01:15:59,420 shadow people called the Hat man and the 1716 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:01,880 Hat man is actually almost like 1717 01:16:07,180 --> 01:16:04,490 indistinguishable from some men in black 1718 01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:07,190 reports and I do think they are all 1719 01:16:12,850 --> 01:16:10,070 connected I think they're all different 1720 01:16:15,210 --> 01:16:12,860 aspects of one phenomenon perceived in 1721 01:16:17,710 --> 01:16:15,220 different ways by different people and 1722 01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:17,720 and some people you know think they 1723 01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:19,310 haven't been visited by a man in black 1724 01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:21,170 and they think they've been visited by 1725 01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:23,120 that now because they assume well the 1726 01:16:26,410 --> 01:16:24,560 men in black in government agents it 1727 01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:26,420 wasn't a German agent they don't realize 1728 01:16:31,050 --> 01:16:29,540 the reality the MIB so yeah I think I 1729 01:16:33,940 --> 01:16:31,060 think the Hat man 1730 01:16:37,210 --> 01:16:33,950 this sort of which are quite sort of 1731 01:16:39,370 --> 01:16:37,220 predatory evil type characters that's 1732 01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:39,380 you know as I said crop up in people's 1733 01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:42,560 bedrooms and again there's some evidence 1734 01:16:48,010 --> 01:16:45,110 in some cases that they they acting sort 1735 01:16:50,590 --> 01:16:48,020 of like a psychic supernatural vampire 1736 01:16:53,170 --> 01:16:50,600 type way sort of draining people of the 1737 01:16:55,150 --> 01:16:53,180 life force and energy and people waking 1738 01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:55,160 up exhausted in the morning that kind of 1739 01:16:59,800 --> 01:16:57,770 thing almost like a I guess what some 1740 01:17:04,300 --> 01:16:59,810 people I call like a demonic attack that 1741 01:17:05,710 --> 01:17:04,310 kind of thing but I also think it ties 1742 01:17:07,690 --> 01:17:05,720 in with things like the black-eyed 1743 01:17:10,510 --> 01:17:07,700 children which is surfaced you know in 1744 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:10,520 the last decade or so I mean look at the 1745 01:17:14,230 --> 01:17:12,530 black-eyed children that they look like 1746 01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:14,240 they look like children equivalent to 1747 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:16,030 the man in black they're pale skinny 1748 01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:19,250 they typically wore wear I wear black 1749 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:21,170 hoodies you know the men in black wear 1750 01:17:25,900 --> 01:17:23,570 black hats the black-eyed children wear 1751 01:17:28,180 --> 01:17:25,910 black hoodies they largely come out at 1752 01:17:29,950 --> 01:17:28,190 night they try and force their way or 1753 01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,960 get into people's homes that's one of 1754 01:17:34,930 --> 01:17:31,520 the typical aspects of the black-eyed 1755 01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:34,940 children stories so I think somewhere 1756 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:36,800 you know there's a direct connection 1757 01:17:42,370 --> 01:17:40,010 between all of these cases and one 1758 01:17:44,170 --> 01:17:42,380 becomes slowly working on bit by bit and 1759 01:17:44,530 --> 01:17:44,180 it's sort of it'll be finished when I 1760 01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:44,540 get 1761 01:17:50,530 --> 01:17:47,360 cases actually it's a book on women in 1762 01:17:52,570 --> 01:17:50,540 black stories which you don't hear that 1763 01:17:55,780 --> 01:17:52,580 much about but I've got dozens of 1764 01:17:58,300 --> 01:17:55,790 stories of people being visited by women 1765 01:18:01,120 --> 01:17:58,310 in black clothes who look very pale and 1766 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:01,130 strange and you claim to be things like 1767 01:18:05,500 --> 01:18:04,010 senseless changes things like that come 1768 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:05,510 in the house and then the questions get 1769 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:06,050 weird 1770 01:18:11,410 --> 01:18:08,090 you got any strange dreams nightmares 1771 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:11,420 that kind of stuff and and it's clear 1772 01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:13,010 that they're sort of an offshoot of the 1773 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:14,960 remaining black mystery as well 1774 01:18:20,230 --> 01:18:18,290 now the black-eyed children that whole 1775 01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:20,240 thing sort of creeps me out a bit you 1776 01:18:24,220 --> 01:18:22,850 know and I've heard you know I mean the 1777 01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,230 stories of them you know getting in 1778 01:18:29,770 --> 01:18:26,480 houses I don't know what they do once I 1779 01:18:31,450 --> 01:18:29,780 get into a house well it's interesting 1780 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:31,460 you should say that because I'm only 1781 01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:34,850 actually aware of one case where they 1782 01:18:41,770 --> 01:18:38,390 got in and and it was only for a second 1783 01:18:43,900 --> 01:18:41,780 or two and if I never ride it was 1784 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:43,910 something like the family dog kind of 1785 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:46,130 scooting through and saw them and then 1786 01:18:50,170 --> 01:18:48,530 fled for its life basically and he'd 1787 01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:50,180 shake it under the bed but the 1788 01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:51,920 black-eyed children-- paste really left 1789 01:18:56,380 --> 01:18:54,290 but for the most part because they look 1790 01:18:59,410 --> 01:18:56,390 so weird you know tell me they're 1791 01:19:01,690 --> 01:18:59,420 totally white skinned and of course the 1792 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:01,700 name is derived from the fact that their 1793 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:03,770 entire eyes are black you know not just 1794 01:19:08,770 --> 01:19:05,570 a sense apart but the white part of the 1795 01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:08,780 eyes black as well so people don't let 1796 01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,090 them in but what's what's interesting is 1797 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:13,520 that they don't seem to have the power 1798 01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,890 of like mind control that the man in 1799 01:19:19,930 --> 01:19:17,600 black though when and the women in black 1800 01:19:21,610 --> 01:19:19,940 have where they're literally able to 1801 01:19:24,820 --> 01:19:21,620 force the person to open the door and 1802 01:19:27,490 --> 01:19:24,830 let them in the the person in the 1803 01:19:29,740 --> 01:19:27,500 black-eyed children-- cases retains 1804 01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:29,750 control over their mind it's as if the 1805 01:19:33,460 --> 01:19:31,250 black-eyed children don't have the power 1806 01:19:35,620 --> 01:19:33,470 to sort of place them into that sort of 1807 01:19:43,570 --> 01:19:35,630 hot hypnotic state they're just 1808 01:19:46,710 --> 01:19:43,580 apprentices now someone on the chatroom 1809 01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:46,720 wants to know what is the most recent 1810 01:19:55,609 --> 01:19:50,090 report you have of men in black and and 1811 01:20:02,119 --> 01:19:59,029 that would either have been late 2014 or 1812 01:20:04,729 --> 01:20:02,129 early 2015 and it was a woman who's had 1813 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:04,739 ongoing encounters with the men in black 1814 01:20:10,189 --> 01:20:08,010 and they'll interference and people 1815 01:20:13,009 --> 01:20:10,199 turning up on the doorstep claiming to 1816 01:20:14,929 --> 01:20:13,019 be you know selling things and not 1817 01:20:16,669 --> 01:20:14,939 actually census takers the kind of that 1818 01:20:19,219 --> 01:20:16,679 sort of thing masquerading as something 1819 01:20:22,009 --> 01:20:19,229 else and she's been actually telling me 1820 01:20:24,250 --> 01:20:22,019 her stories for problem probably about 1821 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:24,260 two and a half years and she had 1822 01:20:30,350 --> 01:20:26,610 abduction cases and a lot of weird 1823 01:20:32,839 --> 01:20:30,360 things like this and but she's also had 1824 01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:32,849 ongoing men in black ink answers and 1825 01:20:37,819 --> 01:20:34,260 mail interference the whole thing 1826 01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:37,829 helicopters and so yeah I mean I've got 1827 01:20:42,109 --> 01:20:40,050 reports going up to you know pretty much 1828 01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:42,119 the present day certainly the latter 1829 01:20:50,029 --> 01:20:46,530 part of 2014 if not early 2015 and I've 1830 01:20:52,869 --> 01:20:50,039 got reports the earliest report I've got 1831 01:20:56,299 --> 01:20:52,879 from someone who's still living is the 1832 01:20:59,149 --> 01:20:56,309 1940s somebody had in him this in the 1833 01:21:02,479 --> 01:20:59,159 early forties before even the other term 1834 01:21:04,669 --> 01:21:02,489 flying saucer was created and I've even 1835 01:21:08,959 --> 01:21:04,679 got some reports there's a fascinating 1836 01:21:11,959 --> 01:21:08,969 story from an old English newspaper from 1837 01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:11,969 the northeast of England where in the 1838 01:21:18,259 --> 01:21:14,760 early 1910s they local newspapers report 1839 01:21:20,029 --> 01:21:18,269 see how a bunch of guys were taking a 1840 01:21:21,799 --> 01:21:20,039 break from work and this black car you 1841 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:21,809 know one of the first cars in the UK 1842 01:21:26,989 --> 01:21:24,090 like 100 years ago pulled up next to 1843 01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:26,999 them and three guys in black suits got 1844 01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:29,129 out and asked them if they've seen any 1845 01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:31,260 strange airships flying over like you 1846 01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:32,760 know Zeppelin balloons that time of 1847 01:21:36,409 --> 01:21:35,070 thing and they said no and these three 1848 01:21:39,020 --> 01:21:36,419 men just looked at them in a weird 1849 01:21:41,689 --> 01:21:39,030 fashion got in the car and drove off you 1850 01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:41,699 know that that sounds just like an early 1851 01:21:47,509 --> 01:21:45,209 MIB record so you know they go back a 1852 01:21:50,029 --> 01:21:47,519 long long time and they're still going 1853 01:21:52,339 --> 01:21:50,039 on now okay so if you're listening live 1854 01:21:54,619 --> 01:21:52,349 where and you just came in we're on with 1855 01:21:57,679 --> 01:21:54,629 Nick Redfern currently we're talking 1856 01:21:59,359 --> 01:21:57,689 about men in black and if you'd like to 1857 01:22:02,449 --> 01:21:59,369 jump in the chat room it's at podcast 1858 01:22:05,389 --> 01:22:02,459 UFO calm and ask a question you can call 1859 01:22:08,750 --> 01:22:05,399 in as well at six oh three nine six 1860 01:22:11,450 --> 01:22:08,760 seven four OH three Oh 1861 01:22:14,350 --> 01:22:11,460 on these cases of Ben and Black has 1862 01:22:18,710 --> 01:22:14,360 anyone looked to see if it's more 1863 01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:18,720 suburban urban you know where do these 1864 01:22:24,290 --> 01:22:21,030 cases happen mostly does that matter at 1865 01:22:27,470 --> 01:22:24,300 all yeah actually you do find 1866 01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:27,480 differences for example a lot of the 1867 01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:30,690 women in black cases of gods are in more 1868 01:22:37,630 --> 01:22:32,820 sort of isolated places like farm houses 1869 01:22:41,210 --> 01:22:37,640 or little villages and very small towns 1870 01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:41,220 the man in black ones seem to be sort of 1871 01:22:48,979 --> 01:22:45,390 more populated towns for example in the 1872 01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:48,989 1960s when you had the whole Mothman 1873 01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,489 thing break out supporting players in 1874 01:22:54,860 --> 01:22:52,320 West Virginia you know Point Pleasant 1875 01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:54,870 isn't a small Asian a big town but it's 1876 01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:56,370 not you know just some place you're 1877 01:23:00,050 --> 01:22:58,080 gonna drive through in 30 seconds with a 1878 01:23:01,970 --> 01:23:00,060 gas station and a bar and that's it you 1879 01:23:04,970 --> 01:23:01,980 know it's it's it's a substantial size 1880 01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:04,980 and they had a lot of many black reports 1881 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:07,980 in that area but I've got a lot of women 1882 01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:09,930 in black stories in that area from 1883 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:12,090 people who live like on the fringes on 1884 01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:14,010 the rural areas in the farmhouse on the 1885 01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:17,340 edge of town and so why that should be 1886 01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:20,250 the case I don't know but one of the 1887 01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,540 interesting things that that sort of 1888 01:23:25,970 --> 01:23:23,520 brings to mind you know I mentioned 1889 01:23:29,180 --> 01:23:25,980 about how sometimes the women in black 1890 01:23:31,310 --> 01:23:29,190 turn up in and claims to be census 1891 01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:31,320 takers I've actually spoken to a number 1892 01:23:37,370 --> 01:23:35,280 of people who we had visit some people 1893 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:37,380 claim to be census takers and they 1894 01:23:40,580 --> 01:23:39,210 didn't actually give it a thought you 1895 01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:40,590 know a year earlier or something they've 1896 01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:43,380 seen a UFO they just remember that once 1897 01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,780 you know this really weird senses take 1898 01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:47,760 eternal but I had to get rid of them and 1899 01:23:51,620 --> 01:23:49,260 when I pointed out well this is like a 1900 01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:51,630 classic aspect of the man in black and 1901 01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:52,980 the women in black mystery 1902 01:23:57,530 --> 01:23:55,770 they masquerade as people like census 1903 01:23:59,120 --> 01:23:57,540 takers or you know they're trying to 1904 01:24:01,850 --> 01:23:59,130 sell you this or trying to sell that but 1905 01:24:03,229 --> 01:24:01,860 a very vague about it then they really 1906 01:24:05,150 --> 01:24:03,239 you know like a chill goes through them 1907 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:05,160 because they think they realize well 1908 01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:07,650 what you're describing is what I saw but 1909 01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,020 I didn't make the connection with UFOs 1910 01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:12,239 because perhaps the timeframe was so 1911 01:24:17,450 --> 01:24:16,050 long after you know they making realize 1912 01:24:20,030 --> 01:24:17,460 it was a connection that there were even 1913 01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,040 such things as women in black so you 1914 01:24:22,460 --> 01:24:22,080 know but that again to get back to the 1915 01:24:24,980 --> 01:24:22,470 point 1916 01:24:26,570 --> 01:24:24,990 not sure really why you know we should 1917 01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:26,580 have different types of men in black or 1918 01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:28,530 women or black at different places but 1919 01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:31,110 there's no doubt unleashing the cases 1920 01:24:34,940 --> 01:24:32,250 that I've got a constitute for other 1921 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:34,950 people but I do get more women in black 1922 01:24:39,850 --> 01:24:36,930 stories from you know farmhouses 1923 01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:39,860 out-of-the-way cottages little tiny 1924 01:24:48,650 --> 01:24:43,920 areas things like that well now is this 1925 01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:48,660 a worldwide phenomenon oh yeah yeah can 1926 01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:51,960 you talk about that yeah I mean the 1927 01:24:55,940 --> 01:24:53,370 classic example there's the caller 1928 01:24:59,120 --> 01:24:55,950 forget his name sorry from England who 1929 01:25:03,110 --> 01:24:59,130 called in oh no the callin was Matthew 1930 01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:03,120 he's from song yeah yeah oh yeah 1931 01:25:06,980 --> 01:25:05,250 chatroom yeah yeah yeah when he was 1932 01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:06,990 talking about you know the British cases 1933 01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:10,710 driving Jaguar cars and Cadillacs over 1934 01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:12,210 here yeah I mean there's a lot of 1935 01:25:19,550 --> 01:25:16,320 British cases of the man in black a very 1936 01:25:21,940 --> 01:25:19,560 wait one actually investigated by a 1937 01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:21,950 British researcher named Jenny Randall's 1938 01:25:29,630 --> 01:25:27,300 from the early 1980s where a guy had a 1939 01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:29,640 UFO sightings actually nothing that 1940 01:25:33,380 --> 01:25:31,170 strange it's like a light in the sky 1941 01:25:35,390 --> 01:25:33,390 literally nothing more than that and he 1942 01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:35,400 then found himself monitored and watched 1943 01:25:39,860 --> 01:25:37,920 and shadowed by the sort of crazy man in 1944 01:25:42,020 --> 01:25:39,870 black who parked outside his house late 1945 01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:42,030 at night from one occasion he called the 1946 01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:45,260 police and the police came out and 1947 01:25:49,790 --> 01:25:48,480 patrolled around didn't see the car you 1948 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:49,800 know for a couple nights but then one 1949 01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:51,930 night he turned up the police officers 1950 01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:53,850 apparently got out the car walked 1951 01:25:57,860 --> 01:25:55,650 towards the car that the man in black 1952 01:26:00,410 --> 01:25:57,870 were in and it literally sort of day 1953 01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:00,420 materialized and they refused to report 1954 01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:02,370 him you know they're like we're just not 1955 01:26:06,050 --> 01:26:03,360 going to report this 1956 01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:06,060 you know why can't we report it so 1957 01:26:11,090 --> 01:26:09,330 that's like a weird one from the UK as 1958 01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:11,100 you mentioned earlier you know done a 1959 01:26:13,940 --> 01:26:13,080 lot of expeditions and research into the 1960 01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:13,950 chupacabra 1961 01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:16,560 well when he went there in 2005 with a 1962 01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:17,940 Canadian company called 1963 01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:22,050 red star films we interviewed farmer 1964 01:26:27,620 --> 01:26:26,100 whose animals have been attacked these 1965 01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:27,630 farm animals are being attacked by what 1966 01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:29,610 he thought was a chupacabra the very 1967 01:26:34,150 --> 01:26:32,610 next day and man in a woman turned up 1968 01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:34,160 for his farm 1969 01:26:40,150 --> 01:26:37,510 grilled him all about his experience and 1970 01:26:41,770 --> 01:26:40,160 he was actually you know literally 1971 01:26:43,690 --> 01:26:41,780 grilled on his front doorstep and 1972 01:26:47,710 --> 01:26:43,700 interrogated by this man and woman who 1973 01:26:50,740 --> 01:26:47,720 looked pale emotionless and bear in mind 1974 01:26:52,900 --> 01:26:50,750 in the summer in Puerto Rico blistering 1975 01:26:55,210 --> 01:26:52,910 hot you know and they were there in the 1976 01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:55,220 typical black suit and the woman had 1977 01:27:00,730 --> 01:26:57,440 like a black you know businesswoman suit 1978 01:27:02,410 --> 01:27:00,740 on and and they just reeled these 1979 01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,420 questions after when they were satisfied 1980 01:27:08,410 --> 01:27:04,400 they walked off into the El yongki 1981 01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:08,420 rainforest and this I actually discussed 1982 01:27:14,170 --> 01:27:10,850 this my most recent trip to Puerto Rico 1983 01:27:16,230 --> 01:27:14,180 was the subject of a new show on the 1984 01:27:18,430 --> 01:27:16,240 Travel Channel just recently called 1985 01:27:20,740 --> 01:27:18,440 mysteries of the National Parks and 1986 01:27:23,050 --> 01:27:20,750 although it's not broadcast right now it 1987 01:27:25,540 --> 01:27:23,060 went off about two weeks ago the episode 1988 01:27:27,790 --> 01:27:25,550 is on YouTube so you can type in 1989 01:27:30,010 --> 01:27:27,800 mysteries of the National Parks plus 1990 01:27:31,690 --> 01:27:30,020 chupacabra you'll see this recent 1991 01:27:33,460 --> 01:27:31,700 interview I did for this for this new 1992 01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:33,470 show and we actually talked about that 1993 01:27:37,420 --> 01:27:35,030 man in black and woman in black 1994 01:27:40,660 --> 01:27:37,430 encounter and they actually recreate it 1995 01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,670 in the show quite skillfully so in other 1996 01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:42,560 words you know we've got them coming 1997 01:27:47,260 --> 01:27:44,840 never mind the US or the UK we've got 1998 01:27:49,660 --> 01:27:47,270 them surfacing in Porto Rico Zell yongki 1999 01:27:54,610 --> 01:27:49,670 rainforest of all places but I've got 2000 01:27:56,370 --> 01:27:54,620 reports of Mexico Spain Canada parts of 2001 01:27:59,260 --> 01:27:56,380 South America 2002 01:28:01,240 --> 01:27:59,270 Australia has a lot of reports you know 2003 01:28:02,410 --> 01:28:01,250 you whenever there are UFOs at some 2004 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:02,420 point or another you can pretty much 2005 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:06,890 guarantee there's being and excuse me 2006 01:28:14,260 --> 01:28:08,890 men in black reports as well how about 2007 01:28:17,170 --> 01:28:14,270 how about any Asian countries you know 2008 01:28:19,420 --> 01:28:17,180 I'm not sure I actually have any from 2009 01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:19,430 Asian countries at all I don't know why 2010 01:28:24,430 --> 01:28:21,290 that would be the case but I'm pretty 2011 01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:24,440 sure I don't have any no yeah you know 2012 01:28:28,990 --> 01:28:27,170 my next question was is if yes should 2013 01:28:32,710 --> 01:28:29,000 they still look like the typical 2014 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:32,720 you know one that people are reporting 2015 01:28:37,140 --> 01:28:34,610 here with the pasty Whiteface as well 2016 01:28:39,820 --> 01:28:37,150 and all that you should say that because 2017 01:28:42,610 --> 01:28:39,830 Brad Steiger particularly in the sixties 2018 01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:42,620 Brad got in quite a few reports of 2019 01:28:48,299 --> 01:28:45,050 people who said the man in black the 2020 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:48,309 face or actually looks Asian like 2021 01:28:54,189 --> 01:28:51,170 he got a lot of stories like that in the 2022 01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:54,199 60s and one of his friends on a visit to 2023 01:28:58,540 --> 01:28:56,690 London was actually approached by three 2024 01:29:01,240 --> 01:28:58,550 of these creepy little Asian looking 2025 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:01,250 guys and said to one walked over to 2026 01:29:05,049 --> 01:29:03,650 Brad's friend and said your friend of 2027 01:29:07,359 --> 01:29:05,059 Brad's dying right here and he's like 2028 01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:07,369 well yes you've just styled to be asked 2029 01:29:12,220 --> 01:29:09,260 this question on the street in London 2030 01:29:13,839 --> 01:29:12,230 and the man in black this Asian looking 2031 01:29:16,029 --> 01:29:13,849 man in black said tell him we'll meet 2032 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:16,039 him at Christmastime which kind of 2033 01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,170 sounded ominous unfortunately 2034 01:29:22,750 --> 01:29:20,480 fortunately not unfortunately nothing 2035 01:29:24,970 --> 01:29:22,760 happened but it was sort of a way it 2036 01:29:26,770 --> 01:29:24,980 story that Brad you know never forgot 2037 01:29:29,290 --> 01:29:26,780 but yeah he's got a number of stories 2038 01:29:31,930 --> 01:29:29,300 like that of Asian looking men in black 2039 01:29:34,510 --> 01:29:31,940 but the weird thing is I can't think of 2040 01:29:39,370 --> 01:29:34,520 any stories I actually have that came 2041 01:29:41,709 --> 01:29:39,380 from Asia yeah yeah and you mentioned 2042 01:29:44,319 --> 01:29:41,719 earlier that you know sometimes someone 2043 01:29:46,839 --> 01:29:44,329 will see a UFO like way ahead of time 2044 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:46,849 like maybe a year or whatever it is 2045 01:29:50,620 --> 01:29:49,130 months ahead of time and then and then 2046 01:29:53,950 --> 01:29:50,630 they'll show up afterwards how about 2047 01:29:58,109 --> 01:29:53,960 when something is ongoing or something 2048 01:30:04,200 --> 01:29:58,119 is you know it just happened like that 2049 01:30:12,100 --> 01:30:08,620 in black reports very often they occur 2050 01:30:15,549 --> 01:30:12,110 or the or the encounters occur when the 2051 01:30:17,260 --> 01:30:15,559 person involves hasn't told anyone they 2052 01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:17,270 might not even have told a family member 2053 01:30:21,609 --> 01:30:19,730 but now you could say maybe some cases a 2054 01:30:24,069 --> 01:30:21,619 hoax is where a person's contacted the 2055 01:30:25,629 --> 01:30:24,079 local newspaper and the newspapers 2056 01:30:28,779 --> 01:30:25,639 printed the story and they said you know 2057 01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:28,789 mrs. Smith of whichever Street you know 2058 01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:32,239 said she saw a UFO so you could 2059 01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:34,159 understand that occasionally somebody 2060 01:30:38,890 --> 01:30:37,280 might decide to pull a prank and turn up 2061 01:30:40,569 --> 01:30:38,900 outside a house and start flashing 2062 01:30:44,410 --> 01:30:40,579 lights and whatever just to spot the 2063 01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:44,420 person you know but there are a lot of 2064 01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:46,610 reports where the person kept a story 2065 01:30:51,490 --> 01:30:49,130 told to themselves didn't tell obviously 2066 01:30:53,470 --> 01:30:51,500 press or their employers didn't even 2067 01:30:56,350 --> 01:30:53,480 tell family members or friends the fear 2068 01:30:59,259 --> 01:30:56,360 of ridicule and yet they still got the 2069 01:31:02,050 --> 01:30:59,269 knock on the door sort of within 12 24 2070 01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:02,060 48 hours and the man in black 2071 01:31:06,010 --> 01:31:04,400 knew where they had been cancer when it 2072 01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:06,020 occurred what happened 2073 01:31:12,370 --> 01:31:09,770 and essentially asked them what they 2074 01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:12,380 thought of the experience were they 2075 01:31:16,450 --> 01:31:14,810 going to tell anybody and gave them 2076 01:31:18,370 --> 01:31:16,460 reasons why it would not be good to tell 2077 01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:18,380 anyone because you know they would say 2078 01:31:24,220 --> 01:31:21,410 things like well you know accidents can 2079 01:31:26,830 --> 01:31:24,230 happen that kind of thing so how they 2080 01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:26,840 know you know I'd I wish I didn't answer 2081 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:28,490 I don't know but I can tell for sure 2082 01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:29,930 there is a pattern that they seem to 2083 01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:35,090 have advance notice of you know what has 2084 01:31:37,540 --> 01:31:36,560 happened even though the person hasn't 2085 01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:37,550 spoken about it 2086 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:41,840 Wow let's see we have a question up on 2087 01:31:44,770 --> 01:31:42,650 the message board 2088 01:31:51,190 --> 01:31:44,780 are there more daytime or night 2089 01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:51,200 encounters the men in black yeah now 2090 01:31:56,740 --> 01:31:52,970 there's definitely more nighttime ones 2091 01:31:59,680 --> 01:31:56,750 and for me I think the main reason is 2092 01:32:02,080 --> 01:31:59,690 because that gives the man in black 2093 01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:02,090 things like a significant amount of 2094 01:32:08,350 --> 01:32:06,320 camouflage you mentioned there man 2095 01:32:10,300 --> 01:32:08,360 yeah less people around at night and 2096 01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:10,310 particularly between a rural or a small 2097 01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:12,320 town environment you know if you haven't 2098 01:32:16,510 --> 01:32:13,850 got like a lot of street lamps in the 2099 01:32:18,190 --> 01:32:16,520 area it's really dark I mean you know 2100 01:32:20,290 --> 01:32:18,200 you only have to know what it's like 2101 01:32:22,780 --> 01:32:20,300 when there's a power outage and you 2102 01:32:24,370 --> 01:32:22,790 realize actually how black the night sky 2103 01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:24,380 is when you don't have all the light 2104 01:32:28,030 --> 01:32:26,090 pollution from the town you're in order 2105 01:32:30,210 --> 01:32:28,040 the street hearing you know it's like 2106 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:30,220 you were half plunged into darkness and 2107 01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:34,850 so I think the the nighttime you know 2108 01:32:40,210 --> 01:32:37,370 the really not like nighttime visits are 2109 01:32:42,820 --> 01:32:40,220 done specifically for that reason to 2110 01:32:44,410 --> 01:32:42,830 allow them any black to arrive to get 2111 01:32:48,250 --> 01:32:44,420 out you know do whatever they're going 2112 01:32:49,930 --> 01:32:48,260 to do and so you know that probably 2113 01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:49,940 explains why there's less reports in a 2114 01:32:53,620 --> 01:32:51,530 day because you know they're wearing 2115 01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:53,630 black suits black fedoras they would 2116 01:32:59,650 --> 01:32:55,760 stand out more that's presumably it 2117 01:33:02,230 --> 01:32:59,660 isn't sort of a holographic thing and so 2118 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:02,240 you know I if there's a reason for that 2119 01:33:06,370 --> 01:33:04,970 I think that is the reason I don't think 2120 01:33:09,130 --> 01:33:06,380 he's done for effect you know it's 2121 01:33:11,260 --> 01:33:09,140 nighttime so it is more you know sort of 2122 01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:11,270 that mistake I think it does come down 2123 01:33:16,140 --> 01:33:13,449 to the angle of 2124 01:33:19,229 --> 01:33:16,150 you know camouflage and probably just 2125 01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:19,239 how only camouflage as well okay 2126 01:33:24,450 --> 01:33:23,050 now the same person's also asking do 2127 01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:24,460 they ever encounter people in places 2128 01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:27,250 other than their homes like at work or 2129 01:33:33,660 --> 01:33:30,130 public transportation places like that 2130 01:33:35,490 --> 01:33:33,670 oh yeah I mean a classic example 2131 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:35,500 probably the one man who really kicked 2132 01:33:40,979 --> 01:33:39,010 off the many black machine the early 2133 01:33:42,900 --> 01:33:40,989 forties a guy named Albert bender who 2134 01:33:45,570 --> 01:33:42,910 lived in Bridgeport Connecticut 2135 01:33:47,340 --> 01:33:45,580 he created a group in the early 50s for 2136 01:33:50,490 --> 01:33:47,350 the International Flying Saucer Bureau 2137 01:33:52,500 --> 01:33:50,500 and his group really took off massively 2138 01:33:53,850 --> 01:33:52,510 you know he was he published his little 2139 01:33:57,150 --> 01:33:53,860 nose legs when he soon found himself 2140 01:33:59,100 --> 01:33:57,160 selling thousands of copies a month all 2141 01:34:02,790 --> 01:33:59,110 around the world the crook really became 2142 01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:02,800 a big thing and and they had a lot of 2143 01:34:06,689 --> 01:34:05,050 visitations at home from these 2144 01:34:08,820 --> 01:34:06,699 weird-looking man in black like they 2145 01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:08,830 were the shadow people they look ghostly 2146 01:34:14,130 --> 01:34:12,010 and shadowy and they would materialize 2147 01:34:16,830 --> 01:34:14,140 in his bedroom and you do a good he sold 2148 01:34:18,689 --> 01:34:16,840 for power in brimstone and smell well 2149 01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:18,699 they warned him to keep away from the 2150 01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:21,760 subject and bender basically said yes I 2151 01:34:25,740 --> 01:34:23,920 will stay away from it and when they 2152 01:34:28,260 --> 01:34:25,750 left he essentially gave them the middle 2153 01:34:30,510 --> 01:34:28,270 finger and didn't leave it behind you 2154 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:30,520 know he carried on with it and he found 2155 01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:33,130 that the more he dabbled in him the more 2156 01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:34,449 he would see the man in black for 2157 01:34:39,390 --> 01:34:37,390 example he was quite at a solitary 2158 01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:39,400 character and this like the early 2159 01:34:43,169 --> 01:34:41,170 fifties needs to spend these Saturday 2160 01:34:45,930 --> 01:34:43,179 nights going to the local theater to 2161 01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:45,940 watch new movies alone and he said when 2162 01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:47,080 he'd be sitting in the theater and the 2163 01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:49,510 lights are down he would see these men 2164 01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:51,760 in black materialize in the theater sort 2165 01:34:56,910 --> 01:34:53,679 of in the shadows and don't have these 2166 01:34:59,939 --> 01:34:56,920 sort of burning glowing penetrating eyes 2167 01:35:01,800 --> 01:34:59,949 staring at him malevolently and he said 2168 01:35:04,020 --> 01:35:01,810 he's got his walk home he would see them 2169 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:04,030 sort of hanging around in the alleyways 2170 01:35:07,770 --> 01:35:05,890 or following him at a distance of like a 2171 01:35:10,530 --> 01:35:07,780 hundred feet you know and he could just 2172 01:35:12,060 --> 01:35:10,540 see them looming in the shadows and he's 2173 01:35:14,430 --> 01:35:12,070 sort of terrified and he did eventually 2174 01:35:17,459 --> 01:35:14,440 leave the subject but he saw them as I 2175 01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:17,469 said in the shadows of the streets 2176 01:35:22,770 --> 01:35:19,360 following him in the recesses in the 2177 01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:22,780 theater other people have said they you 2178 01:35:26,010 --> 01:35:23,890 know they've seen them they've been 2179 01:35:27,149 --> 01:35:26,020 driving home from work or something the 2180 01:35:29,370 --> 01:35:27,159 man in black he said 2181 01:35:30,449 --> 01:35:29,380 almost if they anticipate they know 2182 01:35:31,850 --> 01:35:30,459 where the person is going to be and 2183 01:35:34,379 --> 01:35:31,860 they're stood at the side of the road 2184 01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:34,389 staring at the car is the person drives 2185 01:35:39,839 --> 01:35:38,409 past there are a lot of reports like 2186 01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:39,849 that and also where people have got 2187 01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:42,639 weird phone calls from the man in black 2188 01:35:45,929 --> 01:35:44,320 when they're not at home you know they 2189 01:35:47,909 --> 01:35:45,939 visited a friend and the phone call has 2190 01:35:51,689 --> 01:35:47,919 been made there so you've got all those 2191 01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:51,699 kind of things as well Wow weird so what 2192 01:35:59,250 --> 01:35:55,449 about the tie-in with the abductees is 2193 01:36:02,009 --> 01:35:59,260 there a one well I mean yeah there is in 2194 01:36:06,810 --> 01:36:02,019 the sense that a lot of people who've 2195 01:36:10,169 --> 01:36:06,820 had abduction type experiences or in the 2196 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:10,179 UFO abduction field have been visited by 2197 01:36:16,409 --> 01:36:13,530 the man in black now to give you one 2198 01:36:19,169 --> 01:36:16,419 good example good friend of mine in 2199 01:36:21,839 --> 01:36:19,179 California Greg Bishop do identity no 2200 01:36:24,270 --> 01:36:21,849 Greg but Greg's been involved in the UFO 2201 01:36:27,299 --> 01:36:24,280 subject for many years or 20 years or so 2202 01:36:31,379 --> 01:36:27,309 perhaps a bit more than that and in the 2203 01:36:34,290 --> 01:36:31,389 1990s he chorus early 1990s he 2204 01:36:37,319 --> 01:36:34,300 corresponded a great deal with the alien 2205 01:36:39,810 --> 01:36:37,329 abduction research carla turner and 2206 01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:39,820 Carlton unfortunately died early from 2207 01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:43,119 cancer in the 1990s and bear in mind 2208 01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:45,550 this is the early nineties so most of 2209 01:36:50,339 --> 01:36:48,489 the correspondence that Greg and Carl 2210 01:36:53,009 --> 01:36:50,349 had between each other was by you know 2211 01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:53,019 old-fashioned snail mail rather than you 2212 01:36:58,560 --> 01:36:54,639 know internet which was just a bit early 2213 01:37:00,000 --> 01:36:58,570 years them and bear in mind that Carla 2214 01:37:02,459 --> 01:37:00,010 was one of the leading figures in 2215 01:37:06,689 --> 01:37:02,469 abduction research at the time what 2216 01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:06,699 happened was that whenever Greg and 2217 01:37:10,979 --> 01:37:08,530 Carla would correspond with each other 2218 01:37:13,709 --> 01:37:10,989 the mail that you know one sense of the 2219 01:37:15,779 --> 01:37:13,719 other will derive torn open and resealed 2220 01:37:18,270 --> 01:37:15,789 with tape and he was done in a fashion 2221 01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:18,280 to clearly make it obvious to the person 2222 01:37:22,279 --> 01:37:20,169 that it had being opened and resealed as 2223 01:37:25,620 --> 01:37:22,289 if to say hey we're reading email and 2224 01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:25,630 Greg also found himself on one occasion 2225 01:37:31,049 --> 01:37:28,800 where a car pulled up outside his house 2226 01:37:34,229 --> 01:37:31,059 some guy in black got out quickly 2227 01:37:36,419 --> 01:37:34,239 photographed his house and drove off and 2228 01:37:40,290 --> 01:37:36,429 this was all at the height of when he 2229 01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:40,300 was liaison with a Carla Turner and they 2230 01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:40,490 were 2231 01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:44,210 discussing strong good solid abduction 2232 01:37:49,180 --> 01:37:46,970 stories they're also stories of 2233 01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:49,190 abductors themselves have much the 2234 01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:51,890 researchers having sort of follow-up 2235 01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:54,800 visits from the man in black after their 2236 01:38:00,370 --> 01:37:58,400 abduction encounters I've actually got a 2237 01:38:02,980 --> 01:38:00,380 couple of stories as well as what sounds 2238 01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:02,990 suspiciously like women in black onboard 2239 01:38:07,450 --> 01:38:05,510 UFOs during abductions and the women in 2240 01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:07,460 black seem to be just sort of standing 2241 01:38:15,010 --> 01:38:10,810 there almost over saying the events Wow 2242 01:38:18,490 --> 01:38:15,020 crazy stuff now I know you you mentioned 2243 01:38:20,950 --> 01:38:18,500 earlier what people are you know 2244 01:38:23,260 --> 01:38:20,960 people's thoughts are on what the men in 2245 01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:23,270 black could be you know maybe a hologram 2246 01:38:28,050 --> 01:38:26,450 or or you know something projected into 2247 01:38:30,150 --> 01:38:28,060 the mind or whatever like that but what 2248 01:38:36,610 --> 01:38:30,160 what do you think 2249 01:38:39,610 --> 01:38:36,620 thank think they are the vast majority 2250 01:38:42,820 --> 01:38:39,620 of the men in black you know are not 2251 01:38:45,370 --> 01:38:42,830 government agents however where I think 2252 01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:45,380 he gets slightly confusing is that there 2253 01:38:52,150 --> 01:38:49,010 are a few cases where I think the 2254 01:38:54,580 --> 01:38:52,160 government or a government agency knows 2255 01:38:56,650 --> 01:38:54,590 all about this weirder aspects they know 2256 01:38:58,570 --> 01:38:56,660 these weird and many black exist they 2257 01:38:59,890 --> 01:38:58,580 probably don't know what they are but I 2258 01:39:02,440 --> 01:38:59,900 think there's good evidence in a couple 2259 01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:02,450 of cases they may actually have mimicked 2260 01:39:06,700 --> 01:39:04,730 the real men in black in other words 2261 01:39:08,980 --> 01:39:06,710 they may have deliberately dressed up in 2262 01:39:11,110 --> 01:39:08,990 the old suits and the hats and they may 2263 01:39:12,820 --> 01:39:11,120 have done so to cover their tracks you 2264 01:39:14,170 --> 01:39:12,830 know it's a case of well we don't know 2265 01:39:16,590 --> 01:39:14,180 who these weird are men in black are but 2266 01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:16,600 we can actually use them as camouflage 2267 01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:19,040 to cover our tracks so that's what gets 2268 01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:20,690 confusing but that's only a small 2269 01:39:26,140 --> 01:39:23,450 percentage the vast majority as I said 2270 01:39:30,430 --> 01:39:26,150 are not anything along those lines 2271 01:39:32,650 --> 01:39:30,440 my personal view is that there however 2272 01:39:35,230 --> 01:39:32,660 we define the world of a supernatural or 2273 01:39:38,410 --> 01:39:35,240 the paranormal I think that's where they 2274 01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:38,420 come from because they don't just as I 2275 01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:42,560 said turn up in men in black cases as I 2276 01:39:47,050 --> 01:39:44,090 said there are cases where people have 2277 01:39:49,300 --> 01:39:47,060 been dabbling with Ouija boards and you 2278 01:39:52,690 --> 01:39:49,310 know China some enough cults and 2279 01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:52,700 paranormal entities and possibly like 2280 01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:54,170 opened a portal or a door 2281 01:39:59,020 --> 01:39:55,760 you know I told though a lot of what I 2282 01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,030 do is your phone cryptozoology I've done 2283 01:40:02,890 --> 01:40:01,280 enough research and probably dabbled in 2284 01:40:05,530 --> 01:40:02,900 things I shouldn't have done that laid 2285 01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:05,540 me to believe if you you know if you 2286 01:40:10,270 --> 01:40:07,130 know you know you follow certain certain 2287 01:40:12,340 --> 01:40:10,280 rituals and rites we can open portals to 2288 01:40:14,830 --> 01:40:12,350 other realms which you know there are 2289 01:40:17,979 --> 01:40:14,840 things there that nobody should be 2290 01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:17,989 messing with and the many black turnip 2291 01:40:22,450 --> 01:40:20,719 in those cases there are famous kay a 2292 01:40:25,150 --> 01:40:22,460 couple of famous cases from Loch Ness 2293 01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:25,160 where people saw Loch Ness monsters and 2294 01:40:29,950 --> 01:40:27,440 they were visited by Messing black as 2295 01:40:31,810 --> 01:40:29,960 strange as it sounds even Bigfoot cases 2296 01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:31,820 friend of mine Stan Gordon was 2297 01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:34,880 documented in his long silent invasion a 2298 01:40:41,709 --> 01:40:38,239 wave of very weird paranormal type 2299 01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:41,719 Bigfoot activity in Pennsylvania in 73 a 2300 01:40:47,229 --> 01:40:44,330 number of those witnesses were visited 2301 01:40:50,650 --> 01:40:47,239 by men in black as well so the men in 2302 01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:50,660 black turn up in a wide and very range 2303 01:40:56,410 --> 01:40:54,890 of just such strange odd phenomena and 2304 01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:56,420 you have these other overtones like the 2305 01:41:00,640 --> 01:40:58,400 vampire parallels the smell of brimstone 2306 01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:00,650 in the person's house the poltergeist 2307 01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:03,170 activity of furniture moving after the 2308 01:41:07,870 --> 01:41:05,840 man in black has left you know I can 2309 01:41:10,660 --> 01:41:07,880 reconcile that with government people 2310 01:41:15,459 --> 01:41:10,670 obviously and it's hard to place all of 2311 01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:15,469 that kind of stuff into just a category 2312 01:41:20,590 --> 01:41:18,170 where it's aliens it's just nuts and 2313 01:41:23,860 --> 01:41:20,600 bolts craft there's something more sort 2314 01:41:26,260 --> 01:41:23,870 of almost like esoteric and ancient and 2315 01:41:27,790 --> 01:41:26,270 almost magical about it magically the 2316 01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:27,800 sinister way rather than you know 2317 01:41:31,959 --> 01:41:30,800 pulling rabbits out of a hat fashion so 2318 01:41:34,750 --> 01:41:31,969 that's Marty I think there's sort of 2319 01:41:36,700 --> 01:41:34,760 less supernatural in some way but I'd be 2320 01:41:38,740 --> 01:41:36,710 the first to meet defining what the 2321 01:41:42,130 --> 01:41:38,750 supernatural AZ so you know the whole 2322 01:41:44,380 --> 01:41:42,140 kettle of fish as well well since the 2323 01:41:46,919 --> 01:41:44,390 movie you know the movies came out men 2324 01:41:50,530 --> 01:41:46,929 and black like you said with Will Smith 2325 01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:50,540 since those came out are do you think 2326 01:42:01,360 --> 01:41:54,080 that their reports are on the rise or do 2327 01:42:04,410 --> 01:42:01,370 you think it was about the same or yeah 2328 01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:04,420 I mean I don't think it's increased the 2329 01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:07,760 reports of modern day cases but 2330 01:42:12,690 --> 01:42:10,489 with a movie from my experience at least 2331 01:42:15,370 --> 01:42:12,700 definitely prompted people who had 2332 01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:15,380 earlier encounters to come forward and 2333 01:42:20,290 --> 01:42:18,560 say hey you know I never realized this 2334 01:42:21,970 --> 01:42:20,300 was a real phenomenon I saw the movie 2335 01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:21,980 and then realized wow that's what I 2336 01:42:26,410 --> 01:42:25,040 experienced so the movie did a good 2337 01:42:28,780 --> 01:42:26,420 thing in the sense he did encourage 2338 01:42:31,420 --> 01:42:28,790 people to come forward but what I find 2339 01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:31,430 interesting is that despite the fact 2340 01:42:36,100 --> 01:42:34,250 that I got a lot of new reports which I 2341 01:42:39,340 --> 01:42:36,110 think we're clearly prompted by the men 2342 01:42:41,710 --> 01:42:39,350 in black movies for the most part the 2343 01:42:43,420 --> 01:42:41,720 witnesses didn't describe characters 2344 01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:43,430 like in the movies like secret agents 2345 01:42:47,110 --> 01:42:45,530 they talked about the stranger looking 2346 01:42:49,150 --> 01:42:47,120 men in black so I think that's 2347 01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:49,160 encouraging because if it was just 2348 01:42:53,770 --> 01:42:52,250 people making it up and having seen the 2349 01:42:55,540 --> 01:42:53,780 movies they would have described them as 2350 01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,550 like you know Will Smith and Tommy Lee 2351 01:43:00,520 --> 01:42:57,520 Jones characters like government people 2352 01:43:02,740 --> 01:43:00,530 but they didn't you know they they 2353 01:43:06,850 --> 01:43:02,750 described them as be anemic white 2354 01:43:09,060 --> 01:43:06,860 looking skinny little weird guys so to 2355 01:43:11,260 --> 01:43:09,070 me that's that's an important aspect of 2356 01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:11,270 you know from the movies as well 2357 01:43:17,410 --> 01:43:14,000 uh-huh has anyone as far as you know 2358 01:43:18,729 --> 01:43:17,420 never taken a picture of one oh yeah 2359 01:43:20,740 --> 01:43:18,739 there's a few pictures knockin around 2360 01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:20,750 there's actually one reproduced in my 2361 01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:24,080 book the real men in black and this that 2362 01:43:31,900 --> 01:43:28,130 story actually goes back to 1968 and two 2363 01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:31,910 researchers one out there Jim Mosely and 2364 01:43:39,670 --> 01:43:33,650 Tim Berkeley is still active on the 2365 01:43:42,150 --> 01:43:39,680 scene today Tim and Jim both studied the 2366 01:43:46,570 --> 01:43:42,160 men in black history extensively and 2367 01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:46,580 back in the 60s there was a UFO couple 2368 01:43:52,270 --> 01:43:49,610 in Jersey City Jack and Mary Robertson 2369 01:43:55,090 --> 01:43:52,280 and they were sort of you know the go-to 2370 01:43:58,300 --> 01:43:55,100 people in Jersey City in the 60s for UFO 2371 01:44:03,100 --> 01:43:58,310 investigations and one particular 2372 01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:03,110 morning when when Jack was at work man 2373 01:44:07,090 --> 01:44:04,880 Harry look at the apartment window and 2374 01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:07,100 she saw this creepy looking guy standing 2375 01:44:14,410 --> 01:44:10,880 in the recess of a doorway opposite the 2376 01:44:16,060 --> 01:44:14,420 building and she described him as he had 2377 01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:16,070 like a long trend black trench coats 2378 01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:20,090 black hat sunglasses white face and he 2379 01:44:23,170 --> 01:44:21,530 was almost like he was in a trance 2380 01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:23,180 so like he was Amba fide he was just 2381 01:44:27,340 --> 01:44:25,010 literally standing there staring for 2382 01:44:29,020 --> 01:44:27,350 hours now what makes this case we're 2383 01:44:30,430 --> 01:44:29,030 different is that for the most part the 2384 01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:30,440 man in black turn up once and they're 2385 01:44:35,710 --> 01:44:33,170 gone you know the trail goes cold well 2386 01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:35,720 Mary phoned up Jim and said hey one of 2387 01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:37,250 his weird men in black'''s outside the 2388 01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:40,400 house this morning and you don't turned 2389 01:44:45,310 --> 01:44:41,810 out he was there the next morning and 2390 01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:45,320 the next morning and so Mary unlike the 2391 01:44:48,910 --> 01:44:47,330 fourth day phoned him and said you know 2392 01:44:50,740 --> 01:44:48,920 he's been here the last four days and 2393 01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:50,750 she was like why didn't you tell me no 2394 01:44:54,580 --> 01:44:53,090 so the following morning you've been 2395 01:44:58,330 --> 01:44:54,590 there for days he might have been there 2396 01:45:01,210 --> 01:44:58,340 for a fifth day so Tim and Jim the bells 2397 01:45:03,190 --> 01:45:01,220 leaped in New York City the Tim went 2398 01:45:05,170 --> 01:45:03,200 over and picked him up or vice-versa and 2399 01:45:07,480 --> 01:45:05,180 then they drove over to Jersey City and 2400 01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:07,490 sure enough as they got close to Marian 2401 01:45:11,860 --> 01:45:10,250 Jack's apartment this man in black 830 2402 01:45:16,900 --> 01:45:11,870 came in the morning was standing in the 2403 01:45:19,900 --> 01:45:16,910 doorway and so Tim leaned out the window 2404 01:45:21,670 --> 01:45:19,910 is Jim slowed the car down and snaps a 2405 01:45:23,860 --> 01:45:21,680 picture as they went past bear in mind 2406 01:45:25,450 --> 01:45:23,870 this is Jersey City you know the middle 2407 01:45:26,830 --> 01:45:25,460 of the Russia in the morning so they 2408 01:45:28,990 --> 01:45:26,840 weren't able to stop but they just sort 2409 01:45:31,450 --> 01:45:29,000 of slowed down and cruise passed and got 2410 01:45:33,460 --> 01:45:31,460 the picture pulled into a side street 2411 01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:33,470 fan of our parking space eventually 2412 01:45:38,530 --> 01:45:36,290 jumped out and ran back the guy was gone 2413 01:45:41,950 --> 01:45:38,540 nowhere to be seen at all but they had 2414 01:45:43,660 --> 01:45:41,960 the photo and I really the center 2415 01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:43,670 features reproduced in the book and you 2416 01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:45,650 can find it online as well and he's a 2417 01:45:50,170 --> 01:45:47,690 bit grainy and blur well not just blurry 2418 01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:50,180 it's more grainy but if you blow it up 2419 01:45:55,450 --> 01:45:52,370 you can see if the guide does look weird 2420 01:45:57,070 --> 01:45:55,460 you can see he's got like this vacant 2421 01:45:58,720 --> 01:45:57,080 look on his face even those have 2422 01:46:00,190 --> 01:45:58,730 sunglasses on you can tell he's just 2423 01:46:02,890 --> 01:46:00,200 it's like he's staring into the distance 2424 01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:02,900 and he looks totally out of place with 2425 01:46:07,540 --> 01:46:04,370 his clothing and just standing the 2426 01:46:09,340 --> 01:46:07,550 recess of the door and but that's one of 2427 01:46:12,490 --> 01:46:09,350 that's one of probably five or six 2428 01:46:14,530 --> 01:46:12,500 photographs of either God or seen other 2429 01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:14,540 man in black Wow 2430 01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:16,730 you know we have about somewhere around 2431 01:46:22,060 --> 01:46:19,520 10 minutes left and I wondered if you 2432 01:46:24,430 --> 01:46:22,070 wanted to talk about any upcoming books 2433 01:46:26,530 --> 01:46:24,440 I know you said you you do have this one 2434 01:46:28,090 --> 01:46:26,540 that you're working on the men in black 2435 01:46:33,370 --> 01:46:28,100 but any other books you'd like to talk 2436 01:46:34,330 --> 01:46:33,380 about just so people understand I'm 2437 01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:34,340 actually with several different 2438 01:46:37,150 --> 01:46:35,210 publishers 2439 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:37,160 Louella invisible ink press and no page 2440 01:46:41,650 --> 01:46:40,010 and yeah they're all fine about me doing 2441 01:46:42,970 --> 01:46:41,660 books from different publishers 2442 01:46:45,010 --> 01:46:42,980 providing you're not doing one on 2443 01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:45,020 exactly the same subject you know 2444 01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:48,050 working competition so the bloodline of 2445 01:46:54,910 --> 01:46:53,210 the Gods books book comes out with new 2446 01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:54,920 page books then I've got this book 2447 01:46:59,610 --> 01:46:56,960 chopper cab a road trip which is it's a 2448 01:47:01,360 --> 01:46:59,620 very different book my big interest is 2449 01:47:03,340 --> 01:47:01,370 cryptozoology the study of unknown 2450 01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:03,350 animals and should forget the road 2451 01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:06,080 trippers sort of a name suggests it's 2452 01:47:12,810 --> 01:47:10,000 like a ten year diary type book of me 2453 01:47:15,070 --> 01:47:12,820 running around racing around porto rico 2454 01:47:18,610 --> 01:47:15,080 investigating the chupacabra on various 2455 01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:18,620 expeditions covering 2014 to the present 2456 01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:21,110 day as well as expedition to mexico 2457 01:47:25,570 --> 01:47:23,510 various parts of the US and because it's 2458 01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:25,580 sort of written roadtrip style you know 2459 01:47:29,770 --> 01:47:27,530 it's it's written as things happens so 2460 01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:29,780 you know it's like the morning chasing 2461 01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:31,730 the chupacabra and hacking through the 2462 01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:34,490 rain forests in the afternoon then : off 2463 01:47:38,110 --> 01:47:36,050 with a cold beer in the evening in the 2464 01:47:39,790 --> 01:47:38,120 bar and interviewing a witness there 2465 01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:39,800 that kind of thing so it's you know it's 2466 01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:42,050 sort of like a typical road trip and 2467 01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:43,760 that one will be out in about a week but 2468 01:47:48,940 --> 01:47:46,610 he may actually be already out despite 2469 01:47:52,780 --> 01:47:48,950 the official release date and the other 2470 01:47:54,420 --> 01:47:52,790 one is the men in black books is 2471 01:47:57,460 --> 01:47:54,430 actually coming out through my agents 2472 01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:57,470 company lisa hagen books and that'll be 2473 01:48:02,710 --> 01:47:59,600 out in about two weeks and that's like a 2474 01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,720 combination of as i said earlier is 2475 01:48:06,460 --> 01:48:04,880 about 30 to 40 entries in the book 2476 01:48:09,660 --> 01:48:06,470 roughly half of them and 2477 01:48:12,610 --> 01:48:09,670 never-before-seen reports on many black 2478 01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:12,620 cases in the witness's own words and the 2479 01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:14,690 others are papers from leading people in 2480 01:48:18,730 --> 01:48:17,090 the UFO field on the men in black so 2481 01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:18,740 i've got there's a paper from brad 2482 01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:21,170 Steiger who mentioned earlier david 2483 01:48:25,330 --> 01:48:22,730 Weatherly who's written the definitive 2484 01:48:27,940 --> 01:48:25,340 book on the black-eyed children david 2485 01:48:30,130 --> 01:48:27,950 submitted a paper for the book on the 2486 01:48:32,050 --> 01:48:30,140 parallels and crossovers between and 2487 01:48:35,710 --> 01:48:32,060 similarities between the men in black 2488 01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:35,720 and the black-eyed children jason offers 2489 01:48:42,220 --> 01:48:38,090 is talking about the shadow people and 2490 01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:42,230 you know the the MIB angles there and 2491 01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:43,970 it's a variety of other people so it's 2492 01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:45,890 sort of like a good cross-section of 2493 01:48:50,260 --> 01:48:47,449 papers and 2494 01:48:53,709 --> 01:48:50,270 witness testimony new cases and some 2495 01:48:55,450 --> 01:48:53,719 case on sometimes old cases but which 2496 01:48:58,450 --> 01:48:55,460 the person has never really wanted to 2497 01:49:00,970 --> 01:48:58,460 speak out before and again a lot of 2498 01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:00,980 those stories are very weird some of 2499 01:49:07,090 --> 01:49:02,960 them are the man in shadow people 2500 01:49:10,209 --> 01:49:07,100 variety others seem to sort of give 2501 01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:10,219 warnings of death and all sorts of sort 2502 01:49:14,410 --> 01:49:12,770 of sinister stuff but again you know 2503 01:49:15,820 --> 01:49:14,420 there's no way you can reconcile that 2504 01:49:19,419 --> 01:49:15,830 with you know some guy from the Pentagon 2505 01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:19,429 or whatever mm-hmm now one of the books 2506 01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:21,650 you've written in the past is secrets of 2507 01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:26,239 Mount Shasta and I lived about three or 2508 01:49:30,939 --> 01:49:27,770 four hours south of there lived in the 2509 01:49:33,939 --> 01:49:30,949 San Francisco Bay Area and I used to go 2510 01:49:36,850 --> 01:49:33,949 a big vacation for a couple of days up 2511 01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:36,860 there I don't know maybe three or four 2512 01:49:41,290 --> 01:49:39,440 times a year and there was something 2513 01:49:44,590 --> 01:49:41,300 there's two places in this country that 2514 01:49:46,330 --> 01:49:44,600 I've been that I felt kind of like weird 2515 01:49:50,109 --> 01:49:46,340 feelings about one of them is four 2516 01:49:53,260 --> 01:49:50,119 corners and I don't know why and another 2517 01:49:56,410 --> 01:49:53,270 one was Mount Shasta and a beautiful 2518 01:49:58,689 --> 01:49:56,420 beautiful area but can you talk a little 2519 01:50:01,540 --> 01:49:58,699 bit about the in a nutshell we have 2520 01:50:03,490 --> 01:50:01,550 about six and a half minutes or 2521 01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:03,500 something like that left and kind of a 2522 01:50:09,490 --> 01:50:07,130 nutshell about that book that one six to 2523 01:50:10,990 --> 01:50:09,500 my chest was actually one where cannot 2524 01:50:12,879 --> 01:50:11,000 we've made the men in black the new men 2525 01:50:15,070 --> 01:50:12,889 in black book a number of us sort of 2526 01:50:17,620 --> 01:50:15,080 submitted material for it so you know 2527 01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:17,630 came under house under multiple names 2528 01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:20,810 but my submission was on some of the 2529 01:50:24,820 --> 01:50:22,489 weirdest divide investigated from 2530 01:50:28,180 --> 01:50:24,830 Manchester which included sort of 2531 01:50:30,580 --> 01:50:28,190 classic flying saucer type sightings and 2532 01:50:34,090 --> 01:50:30,590 contact II cases in the late 40s and 2533 01:50:38,109 --> 01:50:34,100 early 50s Bigfoot reports from Mount 2534 01:50:40,750 --> 01:50:38,119 Shasta and stories of Bigfoot creatures 2535 01:50:43,899 --> 01:50:40,760 reportedly coming out of caves on 2536 01:50:48,340 --> 01:50:43,909 Manchester and also reports of what 2537 01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:48,350 sounded like ancient humanoids the idea 2538 01:50:54,430 --> 01:50:51,489 of some ancient terrestrial human races 2539 01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:54,440 living out your deep within the 2540 01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:56,330 cavernous areas of Manchester a lot of 2541 01:51:00,360 --> 01:50:58,480 legends like that of 2542 01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:00,370 suppose it loving we don't know where 2543 01:51:04,130 --> 01:51:02,050 the truth begins of the legend ends and 2544 01:51:07,260 --> 01:51:04,140 vice versa but there are stories about 2545 01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:07,270 supposedly the ancient Atlanteans after 2546 01:51:12,990 --> 01:51:09,850 Atlantis was destroyed supposedly making 2547 01:51:15,630 --> 01:51:13,000 their way to Manchester and living in 2548 01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:15,640 cavernous massive cat you know hollowed 2549 01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:17,530 out areas been a fantastic if you know 2550 01:51:22,140 --> 01:51:19,510 the way in you know you could access 2551 01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:22,150 them so a lot a lot of weird stories 2552 01:51:27,300 --> 01:51:26,050 coming out of Manchester but I mean you 2553 01:51:30,210 --> 01:51:27,310 know it's interesting what you said 2554 01:51:33,150 --> 01:51:30,220 about certain areas creating a creepy 2555 01:51:35,850 --> 01:51:33,160 vibe one place where I got that in 2556 01:51:39,150 --> 01:51:35,860 California was place called Devil's Gate 2557 01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:39,160 dam in Pasadena California that has a 2558 01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:41,650 lot of strange stuff to it Jack Parsons 2559 01:51:46,770 --> 01:51:44,410 one of the u.s. military's early rocky 2560 01:51:50,250 --> 01:51:46,780 pioneers who was also a follower of 2561 01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:50,260 Aleister Crowley and somebody who 2562 01:51:55,620 --> 01:51:53,920 dabbled in a lot of occult rituals and 2563 01:51:56,730 --> 01:51:55,630 things like this and blew himself up in 2564 01:51:58,530 --> 01:51:56,740 his lab which may not have been 2565 01:52:02,520 --> 01:51:58,540 coincident it could have been a kind of 2566 01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:02,530 psychic backlash he helped found the Jet 2567 01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:05,410 Propulsion lab at Devil's Gate Dam or 2568 01:52:09,810 --> 01:52:07,840 just right next to it and there have 2569 01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:09,820 been a lot of weird creature sightings 2570 01:52:17,250 --> 01:52:14,800 of Devil's Gate Dam also reports of 2571 01:52:19,470 --> 01:52:17,260 suicides as a place just no breach just 2572 01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:19,480 down the road from the godown itself 2573 01:52:23,700 --> 01:52:21,730 which is known locally as suicide bridge 2574 01:52:25,140 --> 01:52:23,710 because so many people have thrown 2575 01:52:27,450 --> 01:52:25,150 themselves off the bridge literally 2576 01:52:29,730 --> 01:52:27,460 dozens since the turn of the 20th 2577 01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:29,740 century so when you go there it's like 2578 01:52:34,380 --> 01:52:32,110 you got to Pasadena and you go down this 2579 01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:34,390 suddenly good on this little side path 2580 01:52:40,290 --> 01:52:36,730 and you're into this area about a 2581 01:52:43,410 --> 01:52:40,300 hundred feet below the main road level 2582 01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:43,420 and it's orientation in woodland and you 2583 01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:45,280 know you're in almost like a little 2584 01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:47,890 world all of its own and it has a really 2585 01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:50,290 weird creepy vibe it's almost you can 2586 01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:52,450 tell that there's something wrong about 2587 01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:54,400 the area you can just sort almost taste 2588 01:52:59,790 --> 01:52:57,130 the atmosphere I think yes I there was 2589 01:53:03,450 --> 01:52:59,800 one other place I felt that also and 2590 01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:03,460 that was through sort of the dulce area 2591 01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:07,810 of New Mexico in that hole after you go 2592 01:53:10,620 --> 01:53:09,130 through that mountain pass that was just 2593 01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:10,630 another weird 2594 01:53:15,180 --> 01:53:12,880 feeling it has nothing to do I mean this 2595 01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:15,190 was back in the 70s oh but I just 2596 01:53:20,220 --> 01:53:17,170 remember that feeling now I saw that you 2597 01:53:21,930 --> 01:53:20,230 had a book actually in 2012 the world's 2598 01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:21,940 weirdest places kind of what we're 2599 01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:22,719 talking about 2600 01:53:27,540 --> 01:53:24,850 yeah actually Manchester's Indians 2601 01:53:30,090 --> 01:53:27,550 actually reason you know that reminded 2602 01:53:31,890 --> 01:53:30,100 me of the devil's go dancing is because 2603 01:53:33,410 --> 01:53:31,900 there's a chapter on that in there as 2604 01:53:35,399 --> 01:53:33,420 well when you mention Manchester that 2605 01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:35,409 reminded me you know from my perspective 2606 01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:38,110 that was a weird place but you know you 2607 01:53:42,060 --> 01:53:40,000 can find a lot of places around the 2608 01:53:44,189 --> 01:53:42,070 world like that they have a strange vibe 2609 01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:44,199 and atmosphere but on top of that 2610 01:53:49,500 --> 01:53:46,719 they're filled with a lot of weird stuff 2611 01:53:53,129 --> 01:53:49,510 that seems initially at least I'm 2612 01:53:55,919 --> 01:53:53,139 connected you know but in a lot of these 2613 01:53:58,530 --> 01:53:55,929 sort of window areas as john cale used 2614 01:54:01,950 --> 01:53:58,540 to call them you have you know Bigfoot 2615 01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:01,960 reports UFOs ghosts paranormal phenomena 2616 01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:04,690 and it's all it seems all separate but 2617 01:54:09,209 --> 01:54:06,730 it's all focused on one little town or 2618 01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:09,219 you know one area of forest a small 2619 01:54:14,669 --> 01:54:12,850 forest or in a small woodland you know 2620 01:54:16,919 --> 01:54:14,679 people are john cale speculated that 2621 01:54:18,540 --> 01:54:16,929 these so-called window air it might be 2622 01:54:21,060 --> 01:54:18,550 sort of portals to other realms of 2623 01:54:23,310 --> 01:54:21,070 existence and that's why we see so much 2624 01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:23,320 weirdness in these places because they 2625 01:54:29,399 --> 01:54:26,770 literally use these portals to access 2626 01:54:34,110 --> 01:54:29,409 our reality before returning to their 2627 01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:34,120 own reality or dimension well so we only 2628 01:54:39,899 --> 01:54:35,440 have a couple of minutes left 2629 01:54:42,300 --> 01:54:39,909 and let's see I wanted to ask you you 2630 01:54:44,250 --> 01:54:42,310 have a website and you also have a blog 2631 01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:44,260 site so you do a look you're always 2632 01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:48,610 writing but yeah which is people Google 2633 01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:51,090 Nick Redfern world of whatever that'll 2634 01:54:58,530 --> 01:54:55,690 develop the the blog address and I also 2635 01:55:00,330 --> 01:54:58,540 write for the website mysterious 2636 01:55:03,930 --> 01:55:00,340 universe I do a couple of articles for 2637 01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:03,940 them every couple of days and people can 2638 01:55:08,580 --> 01:55:06,239 also reach me on Facebook or Twitter 2639 01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:08,590 just type my name in you know they'll 2640 01:55:12,540 --> 01:55:10,330 find me and yeah I'm always happy to 2641 01:55:14,220 --> 01:55:12,550 chat with people if they want advice on 2642 01:55:16,590 --> 01:55:14,230 anything else they got questions they 2643 01:55:18,300 --> 01:55:16,600 want answer in or if they want to share 2644 01:55:20,100 --> 01:55:18,310 information you know it's like I said a 2645 01:55:22,010 --> 01:55:20,110 lot of people particularly with the 2646 01:55:24,449 --> 01:55:22,020 Manning black and the women in black 2647 01:55:25,859 --> 01:55:24,459 they have these experiences and 2648 01:55:28,319 --> 01:55:25,869 they have strange experience with a 2649 01:55:30,479 --> 01:55:28,329 census taker I found a lot of times I've 2650 01:55:32,489 --> 01:55:30,489 done radio I'm Peter like wow that was 2651 01:55:33,959 --> 01:55:32,499 me and I didn't realize that is what 2652 01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:33,969 would be class as a man in black it's 2653 01:55:39,270 --> 01:55:36,400 only afterwards when you know people 2654 01:55:41,459 --> 01:55:39,280 talk about they then realize what 2655 01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:41,469 happened so if anybody's got information 2656 01:55:45,239 --> 01:55:43,599 they want to share or you know they want 2657 01:55:48,779 --> 01:55:45,249 questions answering or help or advice 2658 01:55:51,449 --> 01:55:48,789 you know I'm always happy to chat I you 2659 01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:51,459 know I feel it's important to you know 2660 01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:53,050 to make a link with the readers you know 2661 01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:56,050 you don't want to no pun intended a you 2662 01:55:59,969 --> 01:55:57,610 know that's a bluff I've spent the time 2663 01:56:02,399 --> 01:55:59,979 to contact now you know the very least I 2664 01:56:04,290 --> 01:56:02,409 can do is you know help them if I can 2665 01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:04,300 with any questions they might have or 2666 01:56:07,879 --> 01:56:04,719 whatever 2667 01:56:10,439 --> 01:56:07,889 yeah well that's it Nick thanks so much 2668 01:56:12,839 --> 01:56:10,449 and so I want to thank everyone for 2669 01:56:15,899 --> 01:56:12,849 helping out with the show Keith rollin 2670 01:56:18,299 --> 01:56:15,909 for producing the radio end of this I 2671 01:56:20,879 --> 01:56:18,309 want to thank Allah Hondo Rojas our 2672 01:56:24,270 --> 01:56:20,889 guests of course Nick Redford thank you 2673 01:56:27,569 --> 01:56:24,280 next week we have who do we have next 2674 01:56:29,609 --> 01:56:27,579 week boy I am at a total loss we do have 2675 01:56:32,699 --> 01:56:29,619 a guest for next week he's a good little 2676 01:56:37,140 --> 01:56:32,709 guy's been around for Don Eckhart he'll 2677 01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:37,150 be on and let's see we're running out of 2678 01:56:40,979 --> 01:56:39,130 time so we got to go so thanks a lot